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<td>Re: [NCSG-Discuss] GAC proposal to ban top level domains
that use a geographic word unless permission granted from
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<td>Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:42:55 +0100</td>
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<td>Seun Ojedeji <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"><seun.ojedeji@gmail.com></a></td>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:29 PM,
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<div>On 06/10/2014 10:59 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at
3:39 PM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a
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style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#1f497d">The problem is
that governments are supposed to
act via passage of laws and
treaties. But governments cannot
agree on the issues surrounding
geographical indicators and hence
there is no applicable law at the
global level. Where there is no
law, there should be no global
constraints on what ICANN or the
users do. A claim of
“sensitivity,” an inherently
subjective term, must not be
transmuted into global regulations
just because ICANN can get away
with it. If governments want
globally applicable constraints on
those kinds of names, let them
pass and ratify international
treaties. If they can’t, then they
must stop attempting to use ICANN
as a back door regulator. </span></font></p>
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<div>I think its quite difficult to give a
blanket statement like this. One could argue
what global law restricted .us or .ng for
instance to ccTLD. I think the fact that
ccTLD (govt) can exercise their sovereignty
at national level should make it extended to
lower level. I won't see a reason why lagos
govt should not have right over .lagos for
instance.<br>
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</span> Well, one obvious problem would be because there
are multiple Lagos governmental instances!!<br>
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<div>Okay and you think it won't be multiple if a
non-governmental organisation gets .lagos instead?<br>
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I suggest that we are way better serve with a lagos.ng
and a <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lagos.pt"
target="_blank">lagos.pt</a> than by a blanket "right"
for "gvmntal" jurisdiction to have their unused parked
name-in-the-gTLD-space.<br>
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<div>Ofcourse this makes sense especially is no one else
will be applying and administering .lagos<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Does that make
sense? What's wrong with SLDs? They are the natural
place for Lagoses of this world to end up, are they not?
Same goes for <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Yeah i agree but inline with my reservation above<br>
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<div>Cheers! <br>
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<div>I think a balance needs to be struck in a
way that govt will not end-up claiming all
the possible tld strings[1]<br>
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<div>Cheers!<br>
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<div>1. Maybe restricting to states names only
(and not town/city names) may be feasible<br>
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Lanfranco<br>
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<b><span
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Re: [NCSG-Discuss] GAC
proposal to ban top level
domains that use a
geographic word unless
permission granted from govt
(next rounds of gtlds)</span></font></p>
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<font color="black"
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style="font-size:11.0pt">This
may be where I stick my foot
in my mouth but I would like
to suggest a middle ground
here. I see little gain from
simply opposing any GAC
authority where geographic
and similar gTLD names
confront national geographic
sensitivities. The issue
would not go away and there
would be the prospects of
either ICANN simply saying
“yes” to government
requests, or an endless
series of one-gTLD-at-a-time
trench fights involving
ICANN, constituencies, and
individual national
governments, trench fights
with the potential for
considerable collateral
damage all around. <br>
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It of course makes sense to
support a recommended
consultation process between
potential applicants and
national authorities. There
also may be merit to having
individual governments
convey their recommendations
through GAC, and not have
individual governments make
recommendations directly to
ICANN. In the case of
government approval GAC
would simply convey approval
to ICANN.<br>
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In the case where government
objects there may be some
merit in GAC having a short
time frame review of the
case, one that allows for
submissions by other
stakeholders. If the GAC
review does not change the
individual government’s
position, GAC conveys
non-approval to ICANN. <br>
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This process would have
several merits. It
recognizes the legitimacy of
national interests in
geographic related gTLDs, in
contested gTLDs it allows
for a second consultation
within GAC, and it channels
government relations through
GAC to ICANN. As well, it
starts to generate a body of
case law like decisions that
begin to set the boundaries
on where national geographic
sensitivities come into
play, and that evolves from
within GAC, and not from
within ICANN, which should
not be making decisions in
this area. <br>
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As for worries that this
area of geographic
sensitivities would be used
against freedom of
expression or to curb the
activities of civil society,
while I always worry about
governmental interference in
the human rights of people
and peoples, I do not see
this issue as a particular
threat in that area. <br>
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Sam L.</span></font></p>
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