<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Legitimacy is the important point and i would think that it is important to have it written down. However support we need to give to commercial entities we need to respect some key things and somehow i would understand the need for GAC to express some areas of concern. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Coming down to ccTLDs not all run in the interest of the country code level and some are more independent commercial entities where ICANN have no say in them and i can certainly quote a few. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There needs to be some legitimacy concerns for sure.</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@GMAIL.COM" class="">seun.ojedeji@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Carlos Raúl G. <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank" class="">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Dear Robin, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What if, under the same concept of subsidiarity, instead of Governments, this responsibility would be delegated to the respective ccTLDs? Would it be more or less legitimate? Let me tell you that at least in the case of Costa Rica, our Government is more accountable and far more bottom up than the ccTLD chosen by ICANN.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">After the sour experience with .amazon and .patagonia I certainly agree that changes are necessary, probably at many levels.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class="">Which if you ask me was treated rightly in the long run(at least am sure of .amazon), however i agree that its good to have this written in the guideline so applicants who don't meet the criteria don't even make the attempt of applying in the first place.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers!<br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">If you have a better suggestion, I would love to hear it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best<br class=""><br class="">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<div class=""><a href="tel:%2B506%208335%202487" value="+50683352487" target="_blank" class="">+506 8335 2487</a></div><div class="">Enviado desde mi iPhone</div></div><div class=""><br class="">El 3/10/2014, a las 13:17, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG" target="_blank" class="">robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG</a>> escribió:<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">I think we should submit comments on this proposal from a GAC Sub-group on Geographic Names in future gtld rounds to "respect national sensitivities". </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In short, the GAC proposal calls for a change in the policy in the applicant guidebook to require applicants to obtain the permission of governments before they can use a word that could be considered a country, territory or place name, and country, territory or regional language or people descriptions. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">GAC wants to override the GNSO's policy from 2008 and the AGB. GAC relies heavily on the presumption that restricting gtlds in this fashion is automatically in the public interest and therefore ICANN must do it. Of course it will have the effect of dramatically restricting speech in tlds and further empowering governments over people's use of the Internet. Unfortunately the GACification of ICANN continues apace. Sigh.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Robin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/Governmental+Advisory+Committee" target="_blank" class="">https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/Governmental+Advisory+Committee</a></div><div class=""><h4 style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:16px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;font-size:16px;line-height:1.2em" class=""><b style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial" class="">Draft document from GAC Sub-group on Geographic Names - Community input sought</b></h4><p style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:2px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:20px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;font-size:13px;line-height:1.5em" class="">The GAC Sub-group on Geographic Names (a Sub-group of the GAC Working Group on Future New gTLDs) has developed a draft document for future New gTLD rounds outlining several public policy aspects related to geographic names and is currently seeking community input on this document:</p><p style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:2px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:20px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;font-size:13px;line-height:1.5em" class=""><font class=""><a href="https://gacweb.icann.org/download/attachments/27132037/Geo%20names%20in%20new%20gTLDs%20Updated%20%20V3%20%2029%20august%202014%5B4%5D.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1411549935692&api=v2" style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;text-decoration:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-width:initial;border-color:initial" target="_blank" class="">The protection of geographic names in the new gTLDs process</a>.</font></p><p style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:2px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:20px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;font-size:13px;line-height:1.5em" class="">A previous version of this draft was presented in a public session during the London ICANN/GAC meetings and a similar session is planned for the October ICANN/GAC meetings in Los Angeles. The Working Group believes the receipt of community input on the current draft document would be beneficial to the October discussions, and further welcomes comments from all interested parties by October 31, 2014. </p><p style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:2px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:20px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;font-size:13px;line-height:1.5em" class="">Comments may be submitted to <a href="mailto:future-geo-doc-comments@gac.icann.org" rel="nofollow" style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;text-decoration:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-width:initial;border-color:initial" target="_blank" class="">future-geo-doc-comments@gac.icann.org</a> .</p><p style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:2px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:20px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;font-size:13px;line-height:1.5em" class="">Comments received will be posted on the Community Input page at: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nc4knhn" rel="nofollow" style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans',Arial,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;text-decoration:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-width:initial;border-color:initial" target="_blank" class="">http://tinyurl.com/nc4knhn</a>.</p><div class="">-----------------------</div></div><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class=""><font face="'Tahoma,Bold'" class=""><span style="font-size:16px" class=""><b class="">Paper's Conclusion:</b></span></font></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class=""><b class="">... Suggested changes in the Applicant Guide Book
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<div class=""><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">Taking into consideration that the Durban Communiqué states that “The GAC recommends
</span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">that ICANN collaborate with the GAC in refining, for future rounds, the Applicant
Guidebook with regard to the protection of terms with national, cultural, geographic and
</span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">religious significance, in accordance with the 2007 GAC Principles on New gTLDs”, </span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">a new
text is suggested regarding the geographic names, in the case that the same text of the
present AGB will be used as ground document:
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">To include in the paragraph 2.2.1.4 of the AGB the following sentence:
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">“ICANN should avoid country, territory or place names, and country,
</span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">territory or regional language or people descriptions, unless in
</span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">agreement with the relevant governments or public authorities”.
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">Also the following </span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">paragraph appears in the section “2.2.1.4.2 </span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">Geographic Names
Requiring Government Support” </span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">of the AGB. </span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">It should be a general statement or
principle regarding geographic names, in order to clarify and reinforce the importance of
the previous communication between the Applicants and the Governments, even in case of
any doubt.
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">“Nevertheless, in the event of any doubt, it is in the applicant’s interest
</span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">to consult with relevant governments and public authorities and enlist
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<div class=""><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">their support or non-objection prior to submission of the application, in
order to preclude possible objections and pre-address any ambiguities
concerning the string and applicable requirements.”
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">A specific reference to the Geographic Names Repository described in section 6.b of this
document must be also included.
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">The suggested changes in the Applicant Guide Book, paragraph 2.2.1.4 of the AGB should
read as follows:
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">“2.2.1.4 Geographic Names Review
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">Applications for gTLD strings must ensure that appropriate consideration is given to
the interests of governments or public authorities in geographic names, </span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">taking
into consideration that, according with the 2007 GAC Principles
regarding New gTLDs, ICANN should avoid country, territory or place
names, and country, territory or regional language or people
descriptions, unless in agreement with the relevant governments or
public authorities. </span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma'" class="">The requirements and procedure ICANN will follow in the
evaluation process are described in the following paragraphs. Applicants should
review these requirements even if they do not believe their intended gTLD string is
a geographic name. All applied-for gTLD strings will be reviewed according to the
requirements in this section, regardless of whether the application indicates it is for
a geographic name.
</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">“Nevertheless, in the event of any doubt, it is in the applicant’s interest
</span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class="">to consult with relevant governments and public authorities and enlist
their support or non-objection prior to submission of the application, in
order to preclude possible objections and pre-address any ambiguities
concerning the string and applicable requirements.”</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'Tahoma,Bold'" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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