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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">@Marilia, interesting idea. It depends
upon what the presenter of the Human Rights issues wants to cover.
But in the case of the Expert Working Group report (to the person
who asked earlier: the "EWG" report is a recent expert working
group report recommending a single database of all Whois data --
validated, verified, and available to lots and lots of
intellectual property attorneys and law enforcement around the
world), we have a discrete item the Board cares about the perfect
forum (the NCSG-Board) meeting at which we can raise our deep,
deep concerns.<br>
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Timing need only be a few minutes - 5-10 max. But it's a focused
item on the Board's mind, on our mind, and about to run through
the GNSO and Board perhaps without brakes. As Amr said - we have
to speak out loudly and often. Whereever you want to put it, I'm
game!<br>
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Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
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<div>@Kathy, do you think that concerns with the EWG report
could be mainstreamed as a key exemple to render
discussions on HR at ICANN (topic 1) concrete with
something we can act upon?<br>
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I see a strong correlation between 2 and 3. The bottom-up
multistakeholder model can not function without proper
accountability. In sum, I support the three topics.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:29 AM,
Norbert Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Drake wrote:/<br>
On 3) ..."It also ties directly to a debate that both Fadi
and some board members have been starting in various
contexts, particularly the SO-AC-SG chairs space, about
“trust” and the weaknesses thereof revealed in the
accountability process. Having a frank and open discussion
of this would be useful"<br>
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I think in this case it would also be good to "to specify
exactly which outcomes on non-outcomes to date we have a
concern about, otherwise we could get sort of generic
answers back about how of course they are following the
process blah blah blah" (as On 2) below.<br>
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Maybe stating here a reference to the response by Fadi
Chehade and Stephen Crocker (in response to the stakeholder
leader's letter /"Enhancing ICANN Accountability and
Governance"/ to Fadi Chehade and the Board) if a substantial
number of NCSG colleagues also feel that their response was
not an appropriate answer to the serious questions raised.
That is what I feel - it has not raised my "trust". And NOT
raising this frankly and specifically may result in loosing
a unique opportunity for an open discussion with the board.<br>
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Norbert Klein<br>
Cambodia<span class=""><br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
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as usual we will have 1 hour meeting with the board
and they need topics we want to discuss in advance.<br>
can you please share what you think we should discuss
with them. Please write a brief introduction of the
topic you want to suggest.<br>
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as starter I think we have those proposed by Avri :<br>
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1. Human Rights considerations at ICANN<br>
2. Discussion on outcomes to date from the ATRT2 report<br>
3. What does multistakeholder bottom-up process mean at
ICANN (this<span class=""><br>
may be related to one there on essence of ICANN.)<br>
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Works for me.<br>
<br>
On 1) there will be further discussion of the COE paper
and HR issues at NCUC’s Constituency Day meeting and
there’s talk of trying to also organize a
cross-community meeting of some sort Wednesday, but I’m
not sure whether the latter will pan out in the time
available. It’d be useful to engage the board in the
discussion.<br>
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On 2) it might be good to specify exactly which outcomes
on non-outcomes to date we have a concern about,
otherwise we could get sort of generic answers back
about how of course they are following the process blah
blah blah.<br>
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On 3) I think this is important because there’ve been
comments from ICANN leadership about what does bottom up
really mean, how important is it, isn’t it just a drag on
the quick decision making needed, it’s not in the bylaws,
etc., which is a bit worrying. * It also ties directly to
a debate that both Fadi and some board members have been
starting in various contexts, particularly the SO-AC-SG
chairs space, about “trust” and the weaknesses thereof
revealed in the accountability process*. Having a frank
and open discussion of this would be useful, it’s on a lot
of minds and I imagine the board will have parallel sorts
of discussions with other groupings that day.<span
class=""><br>
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In terms of priority and time allocation I’d argue for 3
1 2 but others may have different preferences.
Hopefully we don’t compress 3) too much or we’ll get
stock answers rather than probing dialogue.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
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