<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I also see an overlap between human rights considerations and WHOIS, and support Kathy’s proposal to add the EWG report and upcoming post-EWG PDP as a talking point with the board.</div><div><br></div><div>I may be a little biased, but I think we should always talk to the board about WHOIS whenever we get the chance. IMHO, it’s the biggest policy mess we will always have to deal with.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Amr</div><br><div><div>On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Marilia Maciel <<a href="mailto:mariliamaciel@GMAIL.COM">mariliamaciel@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>@Kathy, do you think that concerns with the EWG report could be mainstreamed as a key exemple to render discussions on HR at ICANN (topic 1) concrete with something we can act upon?<br><br></div>I see a strong correlation between 2 and 3. The bottom-up multistakeholder model can not function without proper accountability. In sum, I support the three topics.<br><br></div>Best<br></div>Marília<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Norbert Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net" target="_blank">nhklein@gmx.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">/William Drake wrote:/<br>
On 3) ..."It also ties directly to a debate that both Fadi and some board members have been starting in various contexts, particularly the SO-AC-SG chairs space, about “trust” and the weaknesses thereof revealed in the accountability process. Having a frank and open discussion of this would be useful"<br>
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I think in this case it would also be good to "to specify exactly which outcomes on non-outcomes to date we have a concern about, otherwise we could get sort of generic answers back about how of course they are following the process blah blah blah" (as On 2) below.<br>
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Maybe stating here a reference to the response by Fadi Chehade and Stephen Crocker (in response to the stakeholder leader's letter /"Enhancing ICANN Accountability and Governance"/ to Fadi Chehade and the Board) if a substantial number of NCSG colleagues also feel that their response was not an appropriate answer to the serious questions raised. That is what I feel - it has not raised my "trust". And NOT raising this frankly and specifically may result in loosing a unique opportunity for an open discussion with the board.<br>
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Norbert Klein<br>
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On 9/23/2014 1:26 PM, William Drake wrote:<br>
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On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><u></u>>> wrote:<br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
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as usual we will have 1 hour meeting with the board and they need topics we want to discuss in advance.<br>
can you please share what you think we should discuss with them. Please write a brief introduction of the topic you want to suggest.<br>
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as starter I think we have those proposed by Avri :<br>
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1. Human Rights considerations at ICANN<br>
2. Discussion on outcomes to date from the ATRT2 report<br>
3. What does multistakeholder bottom-up process mean at ICANN (this<span class=""><br>
may be related to one there on essence of ICANN.)<br>
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Works for me.<br>
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On 1) there will be further discussion of the COE paper and HR issues at NCUC’s Constituency Day meeting and there’s talk of trying to also organize a cross-community meeting of some sort Wednesday, but I’m not sure whether the latter will pan out in the time available. It’d be useful to engage the board in the discussion.<br>
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On 2) it might be good to specify exactly which outcomes on non-outcomes to date we have a concern about, otherwise we could get sort of generic answers back about how of course they are following the process blah blah blah.<br>
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On 3) I think this is important because there’ve been comments from ICANN leadership about what does bottom up really mean, how important is it, isn’t it just a drag on the quick decision making needed, it’s not in the bylaws, etc., which is a bit worrying. * It also ties directly to a debate that both Fadi and some board members have been starting in various contexts, particularly the SO-AC-SG chairs space, about “trust” and the weaknesses thereof revealed in the accountability process*. Having a frank and open discussion of this would be useful, it’s on a lot of minds and I imagine the board will have parallel sorts of discussions with other groupings that day.<span class=""><br>
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In terms of priority and time allocation I’d argue for 3 1 2 but others may have different preferences. Hopefully we don’t compress 3) too much or we’ll get stock answers rather than probing dialogue.<br>
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Bill<br>
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