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repeat;">You make me blush, Stephanie. :) Thanks for the compliment. I'm
just personally glad you've chosen to double down your involvement here.
Your professionalism, integrity and depth of knowledge makes this a much
more interesting and informative place to be. With a mixture of old and new
the NCSG surely is on the rise. That can only be good for noncommercial
users everywhere!</div>
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From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA><br />
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br />
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 09:03:37 -0400<br />
Subject: Re: reconsideration request<br />
<br />
Once again, I agree totally with Ed and congratulate him on being far more
eloquent than I (not to mention more aware of the proper procedures).<br />
Stephanie Perrin
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-08-30, 8:22, Edward Morris wrote:</div>
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0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">Hi,<br />
<br />
I’ll weigh on this in a way that will likely leave no one happy as
I’m probably in the middle between the two extreme views.
Nevertheless…<br />
<br />
First, let’s remember that everyone involved here are good people
acting in good faith. I don’t believe that is necessarily true of
certain members of the ICANN staff in their actions on other matters. Intent
matters and we need to be careful in drawing parallels between various
topics. To the extent that some of the posts have bordered on the personal I
hope we can draw it back a little bit.<br />
<br />
Second, I don’t see this as being an issue of accountability as much
as it is an issue of interpretation of the NCSG Charter. Rafik and Avri, in
very helpful posts, have posited differing views on the various
responsibilities and duties of the different organs in our internal
processes. They are both reasonable positions and should be accorded
respect.<br />
<br />
As to the substance of the issue at hand:<br />
<br />
I’d first like to thank Robin for drafting the Reconsideration
Request. These are not easy things to write and she’s done a nice job.
I do believe that this effort is in keeping with what I view as rough
consensus on the list for further action.<br />
<br />
Further, I disagree with Avri’s assertion that Reconsideration
Requests are only for “process violations.” That is certainly
true for Independent Review actions per Article IV section 3 of the ICANN
Bylaws. It is not true for Reconsideration Requests per Article IV section 3
of the Bylaws:<br />
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“Section 2. RECONSIDERATION<br />
<br />
ICANN shall have in place a process by which any person or entity materially
affected by an action of ICANN may request review or reconsideration of that
action by the Board.<br />
<br />
Any person or entity may submit a request for reconsideration or review of
an ICANN action or inaction ("Reconsideration Request") to the
extent that he, she, or it have been adversely affected by:<br />
<br />
1. one or more staff actions or inactions that contradict established ICANN
policy(ies);<br />
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<br />
This RR involves our allegation that staff action contradicted established
ICANN policies. It is a legitimate subject for a Reconsideration Request. I
support both the substance and intent of this RR and am very happy to see it
has been filed. Thanks Robin!<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
As to the dispute concerning the proper division of responsibilities
according to the NCSG Charter, again I view this dispute not as an
accountability question but rather as a Constitutional question, I find
myself in complete agreement with Avri’s position. This RR should not
have been submitted in the name of the NCSG.<br />
<br />
As Amr has pointed out the key section of the NCSG Charter relating to this
question is section 2.5 that states the Policy Committee is responsible
for:<br />
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“Discussion and development of substantive policies and statements
issued in the name of the NCSG. This activity will require coordination with
the membership and the Constituencies”</div>
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Rafik is perfectly correct in asserting there are other sections of the
Charter which could be used to support the position that other bodies or
individuals within the NCSG Executive could authorize the submission of a
document such as the RR. While recognizing that this argument is reasonable
and is done in good faith I do not find it very persuasive when contrasted
with the very clear language of section 2.5 of the NCSG Charter.<br />
<br />
Robin has already noted her willingness to change the Requester identity in
the RR submission. She noted other ICANN groupings may also wish to be
included. That is all for the good but I suggest we 1) acknowledge this was
not handled properly, and 2) see if there is rough consensus on the PC for
the filing of a RR.<br />
<br />
If there is sufficient support on the PC for the RR, as distasteful as post
hoc legitimization is, I’d suggest we leave things as it is and move
on and use this episode as a learning experience we shall endeavor not to
repeat. If there is not, the RR needs to be withdrawn and resubmitted with
different Requesters.<br />
<br />
I should note this conflict illustrates the need for Charter Reform. As
someone who has been unsuccessful in his efforts to reform the NCUC Charter
I know how hard such an effort is. Nevertheless, once the GNSO Review is
completed it is something I hope we can get to with full support of both our
leadership and our members.<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
<br />
Ed</div>
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From: Amr Elsadr <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:aelsadr@EGYPTIG.ORG"><aelsadr@EGYPTIG.ORG></a><br />
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>
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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:45:08 +0200<br />
Subject: Re: reconsideration request<br />
<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>On Aug 30, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Remmy Nweke <<a
href="mailto:remmyn@GMAIL.COM" moz-do-not-send="true">remmyn@GMAIL.COM</a>
> wrote:</div>
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sans-serif;">Thanks Segun and Avri<br />
I think Rafik has given enough explanation on issues raised its either we
accept his explanation or suggest more better was of mitigation now and in
the future.<br />
Or better still call for consensus/vote where time permits.</div>
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<div>I completely agree. For what it’s worth, I’m happy to
endorse this RR after-the-fact. I believe that, as opposed to the joint
SO/AC letter draft previously circulated, that this RR was a lot more
specific in its reasons, which seem pretty justifiable to me. Although the
accountability process isn’t specifically a policy on gTLD policy, it
is still very much reflective of ICANN staff and board decision-making. The
By-Laws are as clear on ICANN’s requirement to be transparent and
inclusive of its community on one as the other.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I do, however, recognise that the NCSG decision-making process
wasn’t followed. The way I see it (and others may disagree) is that on
of the NCSG PC duties included in our charter stating:</div>
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<div><b>“<i><span style="line-height: 19.047618865966797px;">
Discussion and development of substantive policies and statements issued in
the name of the NCSG. This activity will require coordination with the
membership and the Constituencies</span><span style="line-height: 19px;">
”</span><span style="line-height:
19.047618865966797px;"> </span> </i></b></div>
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<div>…, includes statements that represent the NCSG, which are not
specific to the work of the GNSO Council.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Still…, I do believe that our Chair did act in good faith when
deciding to sign off on the RR on behalf of the NCSG. Considering the time
restraint he had to deal with and what I perceive to be a rough estimation
of general sentiment expressed on this list, I believe he acted not on his
own behalf, but on how he perceived the NCSG membership would have wished
him to act. I don’t imagine it’s easy being in that position,
and I appreciate Rafik’s willingness to act in the way he thought was
best for the SG.</div>
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sans-serif;">Can't we request for extended time even
by a week to put our house position in order?</div>
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<div>Not that I can tell, Remmy. The process for submitting RRs is limited
to a 15-day period following the staff or board action (check here: <a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/reconsideration-2012-02-25-en"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/reconsideration-2012-02-25-en</a>
).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
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<div>Amr</div>
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