<div dir="ltr">+1<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-29 11:20 GMT+00:00 Grigori Saghyan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregor@arminco.com" target="_blank">gregor@arminco.com</a>></span>:<br>
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On 29.08.2014 2:52, Robin Gross wrote:<br>
> I see no reason why authoritarian non-democratic governments<br>
> deserve "equal footing" with legitimate democratic bottom-up<br>
> processes. Many in GAC are exactly this: non-democratic and<br>
> authoritarian governments where the people are not allowed to<br>
> govern themselves through free and fair elections. These govt's<br>
> have no legitimate right to claim they deserve "equal footing" to<br>
> rule over anyone, let alone the DNS.<br>
><br>
> "Equal footing" might be a catchy slogan that sounds nice on its<br>
> surface to those who care about equality. But giving tyrannical<br>
> govts "equal footing" to rule the root is a bad idea when you think<br>
> it through.<br>
><br>
> Robin<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Signed PGP part Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> I think this is way overstated.<br>
>><br>
>> In no way does raising the bar from majority to supermajority<br>
>> give them a veto.<br>
>><br>
>> I can accept being against it, even though I am not, but i see<br>
>> no reason to call it something it is not. It puts them on a par<br>
>> with the GNSO. You may not want this, but it is not a veto.<br>
>><br>
>> I personally don't see the big deal, but then again I believe in<br>
>> parity and equal footing. And since it is something I demand for<br>
>> us, I have trouble arguing against it for others. I can't get<br>
>> into the notion that equal treatment is good for us but not for<br>
>> others, especially in a multistakeholder environment.<br>
>><br>
>> Let me repeat, supermajority is _not_ a veto.<br>
>><br>
>> And furthermore, it is not a veto by non democratic countries<br>
>> since, believe it or not some of the democratic countries in the<br>
>> GAC would have to participate in coming to consensus on the<br>
>> advice.<br>
>><br>
>> Argue against it if you must, but don't blow it out of all<br>
>> proportion. If nothing else if makes your comment easier to put<br>
>> aside. So even if I agreed with you I would argue against<br>
>> calling it something it is not for a tactical reason.<br>
>><br>
>> avri<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 28-Aug-14 07:10, Robin Gross wrote:<br>
>>> Hi all,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Below are my comments on the extreme proposal to amend ICANN's<br>
>>> bylaws to impose GAC "advice" on the Internet unless 2/3 of<br>
>>> the non-conflicted members of ICANN's board (would there ever<br>
>>> be such a number given the many board conflicts?) are able to<br>
>>> oppose the GAC "advice" (why are we still calling it<br>
>>> "advice"?)<br>
>>><br>
>>> I've also made a blog post to encourage others to post comments<br>
>>> to the public forum here: <a href="http://bit.ly/1rBtbKl" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1rBtbKl</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> I hope you all will consider weighing-in and standing-up for<br>
>>> freedom on the Internet by encouraging the board to reject<br>
>>> this proposal that give non-democratic governments power over<br>
>>> the Internet via ICANN's board. It is a very important issue -<br>
>>> perhaps one of the most important that ICANN has faced since<br>
>>> its inception, so it is a major change and worth paying<br>
>>> attention to.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thank you, Robin<br>
>>><br>
>>> PS: You can submit comments by sending an email to<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14@icann.org">comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14@icann.org</a><br>
</div></div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14@icann.org">comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14@icann.org</a>><br>
<div class="">>> Comment<br>
>>> Deadline: 14 Sept. 2014 Reply Deadline: 6 Oct. 2014<br>
>>><br>
>>> Begin forwarded message:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> From: Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a><br>
</div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>> Subject: Do Not Empower<br>
<div class="">>>>> Non-Democratic Governments' Control Over the Internet with<br>
>>>> this Draconian "GAC Veto" on ICANN Board Decisions Date:<br>
>>>> August 27, 2014 3:50:13 PM PDT To:<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14@icann.org">comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14@icann.org</a><br>
</div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14@icann.org">comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14@icann.org</a>> Bcc:<br>
>> Robin<br>
>>>> Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>><br>
<div><div class="h5">>>>><br>
>>>> Dear ICANN,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This draconian proposal to change ICANN's bylaws would<br>
>>>> fundamentally transform ICANN away from being a "bottom-up"<br>
>>>> and "private-sector-led" organization and into a<br>
>>>> governmental regulatory agency by changing the GAC's role<br>
>>>> from "advisory" into "primary decision maker" by essentially<br>
>>>> creating a "governmental veto" on all key organizational<br>
>>>> decisions. This would mark a truly significant change in the<br>
>>>> overall power structure at ICANN that would dramatically<br>
>>>> empower national governments (some democratic, some<br>
>>>> authoritarian) over the management of critical Internet<br>
>>>> resources at the expense of those who participate in the<br>
>>>> bottom-up policy development process.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This extreme proposal undermines any hope of a bottom-up<br>
>>>> process for policy development at ICANN and kills the<br>
>>>> incentive for volunteers to participate in ICANN since<br>
>>>> governments will be empowered to veto the bottom-up policy<br>
>>>> that was developed by years of hard work and painful<br>
>>>> compromises on the part of all stakeholders.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ironically, it is often ICANN's own board and staff who do<br>
>>>> the most to undermine the "multi-stakeholder model for<br>
>>>> Internet governance", and this proposal, if passed, would be<br>
>>>> a prime illustration of that fact. By making additional<br>
>>>> concessions to GAC that give governments more power at ICANN,<br>
>>>> the board would be relinquishing its responsibility to<br>
>>>> provide oversight of the organization's operations. And<br>
>>>> since so many non-GAC board members are "conflicted" on<br>
>>>> issues that are of greatest significance to the org's work,<br>
>>>> in reality it will take far more than 2/3 of the board to<br>
>>>> resist the mandatory imposition of GAC "advice" by ICANN.<br>
>>>> There is nothing to prevent GAC from becoming a voting body<br>
>>>> that imposes its majority will on the entire Internet via the<br>
>>>> ICANN board; and this bylaws change would certainly<br>
>>>> incentivize such a reaction from GAC. Since ICANN claimed in<br>
>>>> its recent determination of the BGC Reconsideration Request<br>
>>>> 14-35 (which refused to release any information about GAC<br>
>>>> policy deliberations) that GAC is not a part of ICANN, it is<br>
>>>> inexplicable why ICANN would choose to give what it claimed<br>
>>>> in its determination is NOT a part of ICANN the predominate<br>
>>>> decision making position on the ICANN Board of Directors.<br>
>>>> That is quite a quiet transfer of power and resources "away<br>
>>>> from ICANN" to a non-accountable, non-transparent,<br>
>>>> non-bottom-up, non-private-sector-led organization over the<br>
>>>> management of critical Internet resources.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It should not be forgotten that many of the governments who<br>
>>>> participate within the GAC are not democratically elected;<br>
>>>> meaning citizens in those countries do not have free and<br>
>>>> fair elections in which people govern themselves; meaning<br>
>>>> those governments are not bottom-up; meaning those<br>
>>>> non-democratic governments are illegitimate in their<br>
>>>> authority and have no right to demand a decision making role<br>
>>>> over anyone, let alone the entire world via the ICANN board.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Why ICANN would voluntarily choose to empower non-democratic<br>
>>>> governments with an even greater say over global Internet<br>
>>>> policies as this bylaws change would do is anyone's guess.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One of the most precious aspects of the Internet is the<br>
>>>> ability of activists and the disenfranchised to communicate<br>
>>>> with the world outside from an authoritarian government''<br>
>>>> control by using the Internet. This bylaws proposal, if<br>
>>>> passed, will ultimately stifle use of the Internet for both<br>
>>>> disenfranchised people and those who live in democracies but<br>
>>>> will still be governed by the GAC via this ICANN Board<br>
>>>> "veto". Unfortunately many governments view the Internet<br>
>>>> either as a threat to their control of their citizens, or as<br>
>>>> a powerful tool that enables their control of their citizens<br>
>>>> - this is true in both democracies and non-democracies, and<br>
>>>> that stifling view will be recklessly empowered by the<br>
>>>> adoption of this bylaws change.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This is a truly dangerous proposal that would send the<br>
>>>> Internet back towards the dark ages when the Crown controlled<br>
>>>> access to printing presses and what information was allowed<br>
>>>> to spread. For the ICANN Board to empower non-democratic<br>
>>>> governments by approving this bylaws change would be among<br>
>>>> the worst damage done to the health and growth of the free<br>
>>>> and open Internet since it was created. The ICANN Board<br>
>>>> should recognize its obligation to promote democracy and<br>
>>>> protect everyone's use of the Internet, but especially the<br>
>>>> disenfranchised by not empowering authoritarian governments'<br>
>>>> control of the Internet with the adoption of this draconian<br>
>>>> bylaws change.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thank you, Robin Gross<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Note: I am a member of the Executive Committee of ICANN's<br>
>>>> Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG), but submit this<br>
>>>> comment solely in my personal capacity.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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Grigori Saghyan<br>
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