<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Let me get this straight: Our criteria, as non commercial users and registrants, for establishing appropriate proportionality should be based on money?</div><div><br></div><div>I feel much more comfortable arguing for equal footing among stakeholders.</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">avri</div><div style="font-size:75%"><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div><br><br><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> </div><div>Date:08/24/2014 6:08 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>,ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org </div><div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Delegate to the 2015 NomCom </div><div><br></div>I think Kathy makes an important point. ICANN's contracts are with registries and registrars, and more than 90% of its budget comes from them. This of course indirectly affects individual and organizational registrants such as the people we are supposed to represent. The idea that a board selected primarily by ccTLDs and RIRs would be deciding issues that are 90% domains doesn't make a lot of sense, either from an equity or an efficiency standpoint.<br><br>--MM<br><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org [mailto:ncuc-discuss-<br>> bounces@lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman<br>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:51 AM<br>> To: ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org<br>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Delegate to the 2015 NomCom<br>> <br>> All,<br>> My gut sense says that we should study this proposal closely. It gives an awful<br>> lot of weight and votes to Supporting Organizations that do not, themselves,<br>> allow ICANN a role in their governance (ASO, ccNSO), but would now be having<br>> a much greater weight in appointing representatives to our governance (namely<br>> the Board and its work with GNSO issues). The implications could be astounding.<br>> <br>> I recommend that we talk more. I would value the review and input of those<br>> who served on the Nominating Committee, those who have a strong knowledge<br>> of the other supporting organizations, and everyone.<br>> <br>> Like the proposal to change the GAC's power, this is one with great implications<br>> for the GNSO.<br>> Best,<br>> Kathy<br>> p.s. how does 5 GNSO representatives but only 3 votes mean? Can anyone<br>> previously on the NomCom talk about some complexities that might add<br>> (currently I think it is one rep, one vote).<br>> <br>> > Hi,<br>> ><br>> > Further, i neglected to say, i think they thought it through in<br>> > admirable fashion and make sense.<br>> ><br>> > I see their solution as being fair. I suggest we do not oppose it,<br>> > neither as a constituency nor as SG, but rather comment individually<br>> > if we wish.<br>> ><br>> > avri<br>> ><br>> > On 22-Aug-14 16:52, avri doria wrote:<br>> >> The only people losing votes are csg Why is that a problem for ncsg?<br>> >><br>> >> Business is not our business. And as the lone civil society sg, we<br>> >> should ally ourselves more with other non business.<br>> >><br>> >> I do not see this as a bad thing.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> avri<br>> >><br>> >> Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> -------- Original message --------<br>> >> From: Kathy Kleiman<br>> >> Date:08/22/2014 4:21 PM (GMT-05:00)<br>> >> To: ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org<br>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Delegate to the 2015 NomCom<br>> >><br>> >> Wow, if these rules are adopted, we (the GNSO) would be outvoted by<br>> >> Supporting Organizations who do not allow ICANN to run their<br>> >> businesses (ccNSO and ASO). This is a real problem.<br>> >> Best,<br>> >> Kathy<br>> >><br>> >> :<br>> >>> Carlos,<br>> >>><br>> >>> While it may not go away soon, it may look substantially different<br>> >>> in the future. The Board Working Group Report on Nominating<br>> >>> Committee<br>> >>> (BWG-NomCom) was just released for public comment. I'm still<br>> >>> digesting what they've recommended, but they propose some substantial<br>> changes:<br>> >>><br>> >>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/bwg-nomcom-2014-08-21-en<br>> >>><br>> >>> I encourage everyone to take a moment to read through this.<br>> >>><br>> >>> -Brenden<br>> >>><br>> >>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca@cafonso.ca<br>> >>> <mailto:ca@cafonso.ca>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> Since this NomCom concoction will not go away any soon, I of course<br>> >>> support Brenden.<br>> >>><br>> >>> --c.a.<br>> >>><br>> >>> On 08/22/2014 02:59 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote:<br>> >>> > Yes, +1 to Brenden.<br>> >>> > Marília<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Robin Gross<br>> >>> <robin@ipjustice.org <mailto:robin@ipjustice.org><br>> >>> > <mailto:robin@ipjustice.org <mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>>> wrote:<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > Brenden has my full support for 2nd term. NCUC is lucky<br>> >>> that he is<br>> >>> > willing to do it again.<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > Thanks,<br>> >>> > Robin<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > On Aug 22, 2014, at 4:10 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> >> Hi,<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> I'm all for Brenden staying on for another term as NCUC's<br>> >>> delegate<br>> >>> >> to the NomCom. Glad he's willing.<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> Thanks.<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> Amr<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> On Aug 22, 2014, at 9:31 AM, William Drake<br>> >>> <wjdrake@gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com><br>> >>> >> <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com>>><br>> wrote:<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >>> Hi<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> We need to appoint a NCUC delegate to the 2015 ICANN NomCom<br>> in<br>> >>> >>> the next week or so. It's unfortunate that NomCom's cycle<br>> >>> >>> doesn't synch with our election cycle but c'est la vie.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> *What is the Nomcom?*<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> ICANN's Nominating Committee (NomCom) is responsible for the<br>> >>> >>> selection of eight ICANN Board Members and for other<br>> >>> selections<br>> >>> >>> as are set forth in the Bylaws. (See Bylaws Article VII,<br>> >>> Section<br>> >>> >>> 1 athttp://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#VII-1<br>> >>> <http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#VII-1>)<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> The NomCom is also charged with appointing some members of<br>> >>> the At<br>> >>> >>> Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), the Country Code Names<br>> >>> >>> Supporting Organization (ccNSO) Council and the Generic Names<br>> >>> >>> Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council. The NomCom<br>> complements<br>> >>> >>> the other means for filling a portion of key ICANN leadership<br>> >>> >>> positions achieved within the Supporting Organizations and<br>> >>> >>> Advisory Committees.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> Together, the NomCom and Supporting Organization/Advisory<br>> >>> >>> Committee selection pathways ensure that ICANN benefits from<br>> >>> >>> functional, cultural and geographic diversity in its policy<br>> >>> >>> development and decision-making as the Internet evolves.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> *Who serves on Nomcom? *<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> ICANN's SOs and ACs send appointees to serve up to two<br>> >>> >>> consecutive one-year terms on the Nomcom. You can read<br>> >>> more about<br>> >>> >>> the structure here <http://nomcom.icann.org<br>> >>> >>> <http://nomcom.icann.org/>>.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> *Who is NCUC's current appointee to Nomcom?*<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> For 2014-2015, Brenden Kuerbis of the Internet Governance<br>> >>> Project<br>> >>> >>> served. He took over for Rafik Dammak, who was elected to<br>> >>> NCSG Chair.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> Brenden has expressed interest to the Exec Com in<br>> >>> continuing as<br>> >>> >>> NCUC's appointee. Despite joining midstream, he was able<br>> >>> to make<br>> >>> >>> a positive impact from recruiting applicants to selecting<br>> >>> >>> individuals to positions. Selections were announced on the<br>> >>> ICANN<br>> >>> >>> website August 15<br>> >>> >>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-08-15-en>.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> Next year is an important cycle for Nomcom. It includes<br>> >>> >>> selections for 3 board seats and 2 NCAs to the GNSO, as<br>> >>> well as<br>> >>> >>> other positions. Brenden has asked the EC for names of<br>> >>> people we<br>> >>> >>> should approach about applying, as well as opportunities<br>> >>> where we<br>> >>> >>> might do general outreach. He is also happy to speak with us<br>> >>> >>> about the process and how NCUC can best engage it.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> Would anyone else be interested in being considered for this<br>> >>> >>> position? If so we could have the contending applicants make<br>> >>> >>> their cases here on the list and then the EC would decide<br>> >>> taking<br>> >>> >>> into account the views expressed, an assessment of the<br>> >>> >>> applicants' qualifications, etc. If not, the EC can just go<br>> >>> >>> ahead and vote on Brenden's renewal.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> Let's please move on this in the next week, before the IGF.<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> Thanks,<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> Bill<br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>><br>> >>> >>> ***********************************************<br>> >>> >>> William J. 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