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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rafik Dammak<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 08, 2014 2:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks everyone for the support, so we have as volunteers: Robin, Ed, Carlos, Norbert, Avri and stephanie.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2014-08-09 0:19 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I too would like to join this group. I suspect my recent experience on the last "expert" group might be useful. Thanks for the leadership.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 14-08-07 3:18 PM, Edward Morris wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Ditto. Thanks for your leadership on this Rafik. I know from past conversations how close these issues are to your heart. Please count me in, in whatever form
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Robin Gross <a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG" target="_blank"><robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG></a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:34:39 -0700<br>
Subject: Re: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion<br>
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Thanks, Rafik. I very much support your suggestion that we form a dedicated work team to focus on ICANN accountability and coordinate our efforts in the most effective way. Should we set up a dedicated email list and begin to formulate a response to staff's
proposal? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">On Aug 7, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">@Robin yes you can share with me (and in the list) your questions and I will send them to staff. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">I attended the call and the tone and substance of the responses were quite concerning. my first question there was about the role and involvement of the board
for selecting the experts and it was not really answered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">At GNSO level, the different "leaders" of stakeholders group and constituencies are discussing what should be done and following-up the statement we made for the
public forum in London ICANN meeting. I will send more updates soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">CEO, board and staff represent a stakeholder or interest group in this particular process and so we should design one where they can create less interference so
we need specific suggestions here to mitigate the risks. the idea of cross-community group was also discussed but there are still open questions because it is not just about changing the label from community assembly. we are also still waiting for the summary
of comments from the public comments period.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">what I suggest:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">- we as NCSG, should a setup an ad-hoc group to follow-up of our statement on accountability but also individual comments from members. we need to be responsive
and following exclusively the process, lasting for months, with dedicated volunteers who can volunteer and keep other members updated. so this is proposal to be discussed and kind of call for volunteers. I welcome suggestions on how to implement this. Registries
SG set up its own internal working group on accountability, we can adopt such best practices and experiment (not sure if ALAC has its group too)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">- as quick action : collecting and consolidating all questions and comments regrading the draft proposal from ICANN staff such as questions from Robin.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">2014-08-07 3:19 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank"> robin@ipjustice.org</a>>:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Yes, indeed. I listened to the call and was disappointed by staff's proposal to control the accountability process and defensiveness when called on it. We have
been asking staff for information on what it would be proposing for a couple months (at GNSO mtg & last "leaders" call) and we were just told not to worry about it, that staff was busy compiling the input and would dialogue with us soon. Finally, without
seeing the "synthesis" of the community input, we get this half-baked proposal from Fadi that calls for a process of two-tier accountability groups in which board-staff controls the group that "prioritizes" issues and "solutions". The 7 "experts" board selects
for this group aren't really part of a "community" coordination group. Experts are great, but they should be selected by and report to the community (not board-staff) and not pretend like they represent stakeholders in the community. Also, staff's proposal
doesn't quite say who will be making final decisions regarding the output of the groups proposed. Also, staff should be in this group in an informational / support / liaison sort of role, not as an equal participant with the community members.<br>
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Rather than try to design the whole accountability process internally to create a process that board-staff could control the output of, the community should have been engaged in the formulation of this proposal, as we've been asking every time we get to speak
to them.<br>
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It seems like the input staff will now take is minor, around the edges and relating to the community assembly / working group -- and NOT the more important decisional body it is proposing. Hopefully we can get some significant changes and clarifications to
this staff proposal for accountability at ICANN before Fadi declares that the community is aligned in support of his plan.<br>
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Rafik, can you relay my concerns back to staff? (or if there is a mechanism for me to do that, I'd be glad to do it myself). But this accountability plan is half-baked and needs more input from the community before it should go forward.<br>
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When will staff learn that trust must be earned and these sorts of constant shenanigans only hinder confidence and trust in ICANN's legitimacy to govern?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Robin <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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> Interesting reading<br>
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> -------- Original Message --------<br>
> Subject: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014<br>
> ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion<br>
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:34:10 +0100<br>
> From: Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br>
> Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank"> jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br>
> Organization: Afilias<br>
> To: <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"> council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
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> Audio not attached (its 16MB). All available at the link below.<br>
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> *From:*Robert Hoggarth [mailto:<a href="mailto:robert.hoggarth@icann.org" target="_blank">robert.hoggarth@icann.org</a>]<br>
> *Sent:* 05 August 2014 18:30<br>
> *To:* Theresa Swinehart; David Olive; Byron Holland;<br>
> <a href="mailto:heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca" target="_blank">heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca</a>; Jonathan Robinson; Louie Lee; Olivier MJ<br>
> Crepin-Leblond; Patrik Fältström; Jun Murai; Lars-Johan Liman; Elisa<br>
> Cooper; tony holmes; Kristina Rosette; Rafik Dammak; William Drake; Rudi<br>
> Vansnick; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight; Drazek, Keith<br>
> *Cc:* Susie Johnson; Tina Shelebian; Global Leadership; Duncan Burns;<br>
> Samantha Eisner; Bart Boswinkel; Marika Konings; Heidi Ullrich; Steve Sheng<br>
> *Subject:* FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 ICANN<br>
> Accountability Leadership Discussion<br>
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> Hi All,<br>
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> Attached please find the recording of yesterday's discussion along with<br>
> the call transcript and the AC Room chat transcript. All three<br>
> documents are now posted on the CEO-SO/AC/SG Leadership Connect page<br>
> at <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar</a> .<br>
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> Best regards,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">> <Transcript - Special ICANN Acctblty Session_20140804_SOACSG_Fadi.pdf><August 4 2014 Chat Special Session.pdf><br>
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