<div dir="ltr">Thanks everyone for the support, so we have as volunteers: Robin, Ed, Carlos, Norbert, Avri and stephanie.<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Rafik <br></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-09 0:19 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I too would like to join this group. I suspect my recent experience
on the last "expert" group might be useful. Thanks for the
leadership. <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
Stephanie Perrin</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
<div>On 14-08-07 3:18 PM, Edward Morris
wrote:<br>
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from past conversations how close these issues are to your
heart. Please count me in, in whatever form the group takes.</span></div>
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From: Robin Gross <a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG" target="_blank"><robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG></a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:34:39 -0700<br>
Subject: Re: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4
August 2014 ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion<br>
<br>
Thanks, Rafik. I very much support your suggestion that we
form a dedicated work team to focus on ICANN accountability
and coordinate our efforts in the most effective way. Should
we set up a dedicated email list and begin to formulate a
response to staff's proposal?
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Robin
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<div>On Aug 7, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi ,
<div> </div>
<div>@Robin yes you can share with me (and in the
list) your questions and I will send them to
staff. </div>
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<div>I attended the call and the tone and
substance of the responses were quite
concerning. my first question there was about
the role and involvement of the board for
selecting the experts and it was not really
answered.</div>
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<div>At GNSO level, the different "leaders" of
stakeholders group and constituencies are
discussing what should be done and following-up
the statement we made for the public forum in
London ICANN meeting. I will send more updates
soon.</div>
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<div>CEO, board and staff represent a stakeholder
or interest group in this particular process and
so we should design one where they can create
less interference so we need specific
suggestions here to mitigate the risks. the idea
of cross-community group was also discussed but
there are still open questions because it is not
just about changing the label from community
assembly. we are also still waiting for the
summary of comments from the public comments
period.</div>
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<div>what I suggest:</div>
<div>- we as NCSG, should a setup an ad-hoc group
to follow-up of our statement on accountability
but also individual comments from members. we
need to be responsive and following exclusively
the process, lasting for months, with dedicated
volunteers who can volunteer and keep other
members updated. so this is proposal to be
discussed and kind of call for volunteers. I
welcome suggestions on how to implement this.
Registries SG set up its own internal working
group on accountability, we can adopt such best
practices and experiment (not sure if ALAC has
its group too)</div>
<div>- as quick action : collecting and
consolidating all questions and comments
regrading the draft proposal from ICANN staff
such as questions from Robin.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> Best Regards,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Rafik </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-07 3:19
GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">
robin@ipjustice.org</a>></span>:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes, indeed. I
listened to the call and was disappointed by
staff's proposal to control the
accountability process and defensiveness
when called on it. We have been asking
staff for information on what it would be
proposing for a couple months (at GNSO mtg
& last "leaders" call) and we were just
told not to worry about it, that staff was
busy compiling the input and would dialogue
with us soon. Finally, without seeing the
"synthesis" of the community input, we get
this half-baked proposal from Fadi that
calls for a process of two-tier
accountability groups in which board-staff
controls the group that "prioritizes" issues
and "solutions". The 7 "experts" board
selects for this group aren't really part of
a "community" coordination group. Experts
are great, but they should be selected by
and report to the community (not
board-staff) and not pretend like they
represent stakeholders in the community.
Also, staff's proposal doesn't quite say
who will be making final decisions regarding
the output of the groups proposed. Also,
staff should be in this group in an
informational / support / liaison sort of
role, not as an equal participant with the
community members.<br>
<br>
Rather than try to design the whole
accountability process internally to create
a process that board-staff could control the
output of, the community should have been
engaged in the formulation of this proposal,
as we've been asking every time we get to
speak to them.<br>
<br>
It seems like the input staff will now take
is minor, around the edges and relating to
the community assembly / working group --
and NOT the more important decisional body
it is proposing. Hopefully we can get some
significant changes and clarifications to
this staff proposal for accountability at
ICANN before Fadi declares that the
community is aligned in support of his plan.<br>
<br>
Rafik, can you relay my concerns back to
staff? (or if there is a mechanism for me to
do that, I'd be glad to do it myself). But
this accountability plan is half-baked and
needs more input from the community before
it should go forward.<br>
<br>
When will staff learn that trust must be
earned and these sorts of constant
shenanigans only hinder confidence and trust
in ICANN's legitimacy to govern?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Robin
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<div><br>
<br>
On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Avri Doria
wrote:<br>
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> Interesting reading<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
><br>
> -------- Original Message --------<br>
> Subject: [council] FW: FYI -
Recording and Transcript of 4 August
2014<br>
> ICANN Accountability Leadership
Discussion<br>
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014
07:34:10 +0100<br>
> From: Jonathan Robinson
<<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br>
> Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info" target="_blank">
jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br>
> Organization: Afilias<br>
> To: <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">
council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> All,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> FYI.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Audio not attached (its 16MB). All
available at the link below.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Jonathan<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *From:*Robert Hoggarth [mailto:<a href="mailto:robert.hoggarth@icann.org" target="_blank">robert.hoggarth@icann.org</a>]<br>
> *Sent:* 05 August 2014 18:30<br>
> *To:* Theresa Swinehart; David
Olive; Byron Holland;<br>
> <a href="mailto:heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca" target="_blank">heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca</a>;
Jonathan Robinson; Louie Lee; Olivier MJ<br>
> Crepin-Leblond; Patrik Fältström;
Jun Murai; Lars-Johan Liman; Elisa<br>
> Cooper; tony holmes; Kristina
Rosette; Rafik Dammak; William Drake;
Rudi<br>
> Vansnick; Michele Neylon ::
Blacknight; Drazek, Keith<br>
> *Cc:* Susie Johnson; Tina
Shelebian; Global Leadership; Duncan
Burns;<br>
> Samantha Eisner; Bart Boswinkel;
Marika Konings; Heidi Ullrich; Steve
Sheng<br>
> *Subject:* FYI - Recording and
Transcript of 4 August 2014 ICANN<br>
> Accountability Leadership
Discussion<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi All,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Attached please find the recording
of yesterday's discussion along with<br>
> the call transcript and the AC Room
chat transcript. All three<br>
> documents are now posted on the
CEO-SO/AC/SG Leadership Connect page<br>
> at <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar</a>
.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Rob<br>
><br>
><br>
></div>
</div>
> <Transcript - Special ICANN Acctblty
Session_20140804_SOACSG_Fadi.pdf><August
4 2014 Chat Special Session.pdf><br>
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