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repeat;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Ditto. Thanks for your leadership on
this Rafik. I know from past conversations how close these issues are to
your heart. Please count me in, in whatever form the group
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From: Robin Gross <robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG><br />
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br />
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:34:39 -0700<br />
Subject: Re: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014
ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion<br />
<br />
Thanks, Rafik. I very much support your suggestion that we form a
dedicated work team to focus on ICANN accountability and coordinate our
efforts in the most effective way. Should we set up a dedicated email
list and begin to formulate a response to staff's proposal?
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Robin
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<div>On Aug 7, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi ,
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<div>@Robin yes you can share with me (and in the list) your questions and I
will send them to staff. </div>
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<div>I attended the call and the tone and substance of the responses were
quite concerning. my first question there was about the role and involvement
of the board for selecting the experts and it was not really answered.</div>
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<div>At GNSO level, the different "leaders" of stakeholders group
and constituencies are discussing what should be done and following-up the
statement we made for the public forum in London ICANN meeting. I will send
more updates soon.</div>
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<div>CEO, board and staff represent a stakeholder or interest group in this
particular process and so we should design one where they can create less
interference so we need specific suggestions here to mitigate the risks. the
idea of cross-community group was also discussed but there are still open
questions because it is not just about changing the label from community
assembly. we are also still waiting for the summary of comments from the
public comments period.</div>
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<div>what I suggest:</div>
<div>- we as NCSG, should a setup an ad-hoc group to follow-up of our
statement on accountability but also individual comments from members. we
need to be responsive and following exclusively the process, lasting for
months, with dedicated volunteers who can volunteer and keep other members
updated. so this is proposal to be discussed and kind of call for
volunteers. I welcome suggestions on how to implement this. Registries SG
set up its own internal working group on accountability, we can adopt such
best practices and experiment (not sure if ALAC has its group too)</div>
<div>- as quick action : collecting and consolidating all questions and
comments regrading the draft proposal from ICANN staff such as questions
from Robin.</div>
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<div> Best Regards,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Rafik </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-07 3:19 GMT+09:00 Robin Gross <span
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">
robin@ipjustice.org</a>></span>:
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes, indeed. I listened to the call and
was disappointed by staff's proposal to control the accountability
process and defensiveness when called on it. We have been asking
staff for information on what it would be proposing for a couple months (at
GNSO mtg & last "leaders" call) and we were just told not to
worry about it, that staff was busy compiling the input and would dialogue
with us soon. Finally, without seeing the "synthesis" of the
community input, we get this half-baked proposal from Fadi that calls for a
process of two-tier accountability groups in which board-staff controls the
group that "prioritizes" issues and "solutions".
The 7 "experts" board selects for this group aren't
really part of a "community" coordination group. Experts are
great, but they should be selected by and report to the community (not
board-staff) and not pretend like they represent stakeholders in the
community. Also, staff's proposal doesn't quite say who will
be making final decisions regarding the output of the groups proposed.
Also, staff should be in this group in an informational / support /
liaison sort of role, not as an equal participant with the community
members.<br />
<br />
Rather than try to design the whole accountability process internally to
create a process that board-staff could control the output of, the community
should have been engaged in the formulation of this proposal, as we've
been asking every time we get to speak to them.<br />
<br />
It seems like the input staff will now take is minor, around the edges and
relating to the community assembly / working group -- and NOT the more
important decisional body it is proposing. Hopefully we can get some
significant changes and clarifications to this staff proposal for
accountability at ICANN before Fadi declares that the community is aligned
in support of his plan.<br />
<br />
Rafik, can you relay my concerns back to staff? (or if there is a mechanism
for me to do that, I'd be glad to do it myself). But this
accountability plan is half-baked and needs more input from the community
before it should go forward.<br />
<br />
When will staff learn that trust must be earned and these sorts of constant
shenanigans only hinder confidence and trust in ICANN's legitimacy to
govern?<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
Robin
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<br />
On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Avri Doria wrote:<br />
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> Interesting reading<br />
><br />
> avri<br />
><br />
><br />
> -------- Original Message --------<br />
> Subject: [council] FW: FYI - Recording and
Transcript of 4 August 2014<br />
> ICANN Accountability Leadership Discussion<br />
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:34:10 +0100<br />
> From: Jonathan Robinson <<a
href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br />
> Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">
jrobinson@afilias.info</a>><br />
> Organization: Afilias<br />
> To: <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">
council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br />
><br />
><br />
><br />
> All,<br />
><br />
><br />
><br />
> FYI.<br />
><br />
><br />
><br />
> Audio not attached (its 16MB). All available at the link below.<br />
><br />
><br />
><br />
> Jonathan<br />
><br />
><br />
><br />
> *From:*Robert Hoggarth [mailto:<a
href="mailto:robert.hoggarth@icann.org">robert.hoggarth@icann.org</a>]<br />
> *Sent:* 05 August 2014 18:30<br />
> *To:* Theresa Swinehart; David Olive; Byron Holland;<br />
> <a href="mailto:heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca">heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca</a>;
Jonathan Robinson; Louie Lee; Olivier MJ<br />
> Crepin-Leblond; Patrik Fältström; Jun Murai; Lars-Johan
Liman; Elisa<br />
> Cooper; tony holmes; Kristina Rosette; Rafik Dammak; William Drake;
Rudi<br />
> Vansnick; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight; Drazek, Keith<br />
> *Cc:* Susie Johnson; Tina Shelebian; Global Leadership; Duncan
Burns;<br />
> Samantha Eisner; Bart Boswinkel; Marika Konings; Heidi Ullrich; Steve
Sheng<br />
> *Subject:* FYI - Recording and Transcript of 4 August 2014 ICANN<br />
> Accountability Leadership Discussion<br />
><br />
><br />
><br />
> Hi All,<br />
><br />
><br />
><br />
> Attached please find the recording of yesterday's discussion along
with<br />
> the call transcript and the AC Room chat transcript. All three<br
/>
> documents are now posted on the CEO-SO/AC/SG Leadership Connect page<br
/>
> at <a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar"
target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/display/soaceinputfdback/Event+Calendar</a> .<br
/>
><br />
><br />
><br />
> Best regards,<br />
><br />
><br />
><br />
> Rob<br />
><br />
><br />
></div>
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> <Transcript - Special ICANN Acctblty
Session_20140804_SOACSG_Fadi.pdf><August 4 2014 Chat Special
Session.pdf><br />
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