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<p class="MsoNormal">Given that this is a discussion that seeks to find consensus, I want to share an observation. As I said before, I was not inclined to agree to more government members in the CG. In the other hand, I would hate to see the CG weakened in
status for the reasons expressed by Bill. And I add, there are somewhat of a parallel here to the WGIG. The WGIG was at a crossroads in search for new solutions in uncharted waters. Although organized differently, the CG has a similar mandate. Because
of that, I am now more inclined to say that Bill and Avri have a unique perspective in this case, and that consensus should follow their views. In any case, as it has been suggested, the rules of the process are not clear as of this moment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William Drake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss] IANA transition coordination group: some requests for feedback<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Milton<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 15, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let me address the “buy-in” comment that has been made by both Bill and Adam.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">More that it reduces their ability to be unsupportive of the outcome on the grounds that they were not fully able to participate and make their views known and discharge their responsibilities etc.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This seems like a reasonable point, and may even be correct – though we won’t really know until it is all over. I will note that the 5 designated by GAC are
not the 5 eyes but include Egypt and Iran. That may indeed provide some support for the outcome</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This to me would be all the more reason to have them in.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There are other reasons, however, not to accede to the GAC on this point. Those reasons are:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
reinforces the GAC’s sense that governments are exceptional and privileged stakeholders, which has bad long term consequences and may affect the CG’s solution set</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A priori, being 5 out of @ 30 sounds like neither to me, but presumably the ground rules could be established to keep things clear.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Efforts
to give GAC what they want in the TLD policy process has made things worse, not better</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Depends what we’re talking about, and anyway they’re hardly alone in that :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Making
their representation on the committee region-based and “representative” rather than primarily a liaison role could actually encourage differences and fragmentation among the GAC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have they said this is how they’d see the role?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
seems to encourage a view of the coordination group (CG) as a decisional body. (get used to this new acronym, CG)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This too could be clarified up front, no?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bill<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps that can provide the basis for further discussion. From what I’ve seen so far, there is no basis for me to go into this meeting either adamantly opposing
or actively supporting additional seats for GAC. If you want me to be less wishy-washy, try to move to a consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">NCSG-Discuss
[<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"><span style="color:purple">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Adam Peake<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"><span style="color:purple">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NCSG-Discuss] IANA transition coordination group: some requests for feedback</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Five. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Multistakeholder: five from 20 plus. Obvious, no?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And if that doesn't make sense, then it's also politically expedient, two not workable for govt. We want this process to work give them what they ask. (Less than 20%, so really doesn't matter.) <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sunday, July 13, 2014, Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org"><span style="color:purple">aelsadr@egyptig.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jul 12, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Dan Krimm <<a href="mailto:dan@MUSICUNBOUND.COM"><span style="color:purple">dan@MUSICUNBOUND.COM</span></a>> wrote:<br>
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> If GAC is really trying to gain proportionally greater influence on the CG,<br>
> then I think that should be forcefully resisted.<br>
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> If GAC just wants to have accurate expression of its varied views (and thinks that requires all<br>
> "viewers" being explicitly present), then that should be extended equally<br>
> to other SGs at the same time. All or nothing.<br>
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As per my understanding, GAC communiques are drafted using consensus amongst their members (in the absence of any formal objection). In the case of an inability to reach the required level of decision-making, the GAC Chair is required to convey the full range
of views expressed by the membership. It has always been their modus operandi to use this decision making mechanism. I don’t understand why it is suddenly becoming an issue with this coordination group, unless of course, it is an attempt to (as Milton puts
it) make the group into a voting body rather than a representative one liaising with its own AC within the ICANN community. This kind of representation doesn’t apply to a collective of the four SGs within the GNSO, so I would (IMHO) avoid conflating the two
issues. Four (or more) representatives from the GNSO shouldn’t equate to more reps from the GAC.<br>
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One representative should be enough to liaise with the GAC. A second one serves as backup, which may very well be needed. Five (one for each world region) sounds a bit over-the-top to me.<br>
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For more on GAC operating procedures in this context, please check Principle 47 and the footnote at the bottom of the page found here:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Operating+Principles" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Operating+Principles</span></a><br>
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Thanks.<br>
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William J. Drake<br>
International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br>
ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
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