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Timothe, Edward, thanks.<br>
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My god is this unaesthetical ... <br>
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Again, TM overreach granted this. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-07-08 2:32 PM, Edward Morris
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:WC20140708183241.6720E9@milk.toast.net"
type="cite">
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">Thanks for the link (to a
web site registered to Microsoft's law firm) Milton. Court
documents have yet to been posted on Pacer.</div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
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<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">The fact that Microsoft
was granted an ex parte TRO in this case against Vitalwerks is
absolutely disgraceful. It could be argued that Microsoft might
be entitled to a restraining order, even ex parte, against the
unnamed defendants, but Vitalwerks itself could easily have been
served and given at least some chance to respond, under a gag
order if necessary, to the emergency orders requested. </div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;"> </div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">Microsoft's complaint is
of the "throw the kitchen sink and hope something sticks"
variety. That's not to say there are not some legitimate charges
here, there are, but whether Microsoft has standing to bring
them and whether the defendants are correctly identified and
joined is questionable. </div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;"> </div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">The innocent parties
claiming to be injured today might be interested in this
representation by Microsoft: "Vitalwerks...derives no known
income from this free service. Thus, there is no hardship on
Defendants or any 3rd party" in granting the TRO.</div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;"> </div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">Tell that to the folks
who couldn't connect today.</div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;"> </div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">There is also a gem for
our WHOIS privacy advocates. In it's negligence claim against
Vitalwerks Microsoft claims that Vitalwerks, as best practice,
should be required to collect and verify the name, address,
telephone number and IP address of all it's customers and make
it publicly available in a searchable database (page 20 of
Microsoft's brief supporting it's Emergency TRO request).
Delightful. Can't wait to see Microsoft bring the same charge
against Facebook.</div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;"> </div>
<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">In it's trademark claims,
and much of Microsoft's standing is derived from it's position
as a TM rights holder, Microsoft assumes TM rights in subdomain
names are the same as legal rights granted marks holders in
domain names under the ACSA. Big assumption not currently
universally supported in law. </div>
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0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
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<div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; background-image:
none; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin:
padding-box; background-clip: border-box; background-color:
rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); background-size: auto; background-position: 0%
0%; background-repeat: repeat repeat;">We do need to follow this
case. If Microsoft achieves victory in the manner requested on
the basis argued we're looking at this case expanding TM rights
and further eroding privacy, at least in the United States. Not
to mention the diminution of due process, the horrid mixture of
public and private law and other such folly...</div>
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MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Milton L Mueller <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mueller@SYR.EDU"><mueller@SYR.EDU></a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:09:55 +0000<br>
Subject: Re: no-ip<br>
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<div class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Microsoft
used some very powerful legal tools, asking for
temporary restraining orders, and convinced a judge that
the need for immediate action justified those actions. </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="Http://noticeoflawsuit.com">
Http://noticeoflawsuit.com</a><o:p></o:p></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">They’ve
since been forced to pull back on their response, but I
agree with Timothe that this is an issue that requires
close attention and has important implications for the
ICANN community. <o:p></o:p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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NCSG-Discuss
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>
Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss] no-ip<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello
Timothe,<o:p></o:p>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks
for bringing this up here; when i first read the news
of Microsoft hijacking no-ip domain. The first
technical question that came to mind was; Is Microsoft
now some form of an hacker because i was just
wondering how they took-over without any form of
authorisation from the domain owner. However i guess
the section below from your url clears it for me<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">Under the terms of the court
decision, the DNS lookups for the domains were
passed to Microsoft's name servers, with the plan
being that Redmond would filter out No-IP subdomains
linked to malicious activity and let legitimate
subdomains resolve as expected.<o:p>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Having
cleared the technical sides of the story, the
question now is whether no-ip should bound to
respond to such call from Microsoft especially since
its not an act from no-ip itself but the users. One
could liken this to running botnets on systems that
exist on a large ISP network to attack a particular
organisation. Does the victim sue the ISP or the
users who don't even know they are botnet nodes. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:51 PM,
Timothe Litt <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:litt@acm.org" target="_blank">litt@acm.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
haven't been following things here for a while, so
sorry if this has<br>
already been noticed.<br>
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If not, here's a case of judicial interference
with the DNS, coupled<br>
with incompetent 'solutions'.<br>
<br>
This is highly relevant to the ncsg constituency
as many non-commercial<br>
users live with dynamic IP addresses, using
services such as no-ip to<br>
have stable names in the DNS.<br>
<br>
Of course, our terms of membership can be read to
exclude these users -<br>
but note that there's nothing to prevent a similar
action being taken<br>
against direct holders of domain names...<br>
<br>
Here's the story:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/01/sorry_chaps_microsoft_unborks_legitimate_noip_users_domains/"
target="_blank">
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/01/sorry_chaps_microsoft_unborks_legitimate_noip_users_domains/</a>
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<br>
The comments provide more detail - which for
technical readers is tragic.<br>
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<span style="color:#888888"><span class="hoenzb">--</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Timothe Litt</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">ACM Distinguished Engineer</span><br>
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<span class="hoenzb">This communication may not
represent the ACM or my employer's views,</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">if any, on the matters
discussed.</span></span><br>
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<o:p></o:p></div>
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