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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi All, <br>
      Edits are in, questions have been answered, changes have been
      made. Great thanks to Amr for drafting these comments, closely
      following and working with the edits, and now circulating for sign
      on.  Much appreciated, Amr!<br>
      <br>
      Given the deadline today, it would, of course, be best to submit
      as a Stakeholder Group. Also for this type of proceeding, a fairly
      formal ICANN comment and reply process, it is possible the links
      for submission may go down on time.<br>
      <br>
      So let me ask, does anyone have any objections? <br>
      <br>
      <i><b>Avri, what would like as the process to finalize?  </b></i>Are
      we OK to submit since these have been in circulation awhile and up
      for discussion and review?<br>
      <br>
      Best,<br>
      Kathy<br>
      <br>
      :<br>
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      <div>Sounds good to me. I took the name out.</div>
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      <div>Thanks Robin.</div>
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      <div>Amr</div>
      <br>
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        <div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 6:52 PM, Robin Gross <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG">robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG</a>>
          wrote:</div>
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          <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
            -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">How about just
            deleting naming him personally?  So it keeps the point, but
            doesn't single out one individual.  So it would be:
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                      vertical-align: baseline;">While we appreciate the
                      efforts of the research team on the work done in
                      an effort of producing the final report, we
                      respectfully but strongly submit that the results
                      of this study do not provide the necessary insight
                      to support policy decisions at this time, and
                      require more Whois privacy and proxy service abuse
                      research being conducted.</span></div>
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              <div>Thanks to Amr and everyone else who contributed to
                this group statement - great team effort!</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Best,</div>
              <div>Robin</div>
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                    <div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Maria Farrell
                      wrote:</div>
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                        <div>Hi Amr,<br>
                          <br>
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                        Just checking, is the statement marked in
                        yellow; "<span
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id="docs-internal-guid-24f59dc5-516e-2549-8567-e675acb69c56">However,
                          the methodology used </span><span
style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:rgb(252,250,198);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">here
                        </span><span
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                          that these research findings are fundamentally
                          flawed, show bias and are therefore not a safe
                          basis for policy development. "<br>
                          <br>
                        </span><br>
                        Being deleted in favour of the one in bold
                        below? I would support this deletion and
                        substitution. While no doubt the study is flawed
                        for the reasons we all know this stuff is more
                        or less impossible to study comprehensively and
                        fairly, Richard Clayton does a lot of good
                        privacy and crypto stuff for ORG and I wouldn't
                        like to criticise him as harshly. <br>
                        <br>
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                          vertical-align: baseline;">While we appreciate
                          the efforts of the research team led by Dr.
                          Richard Clayton on the work done in an effort
                          of producing the final report, we respectfully
                          but strongly submit that the results of this
                          study do not provide the necessary insight to
                          support policy decisions at this time, and
                          require more Whois privacy and proxy service
                          abuse research being conducted. </span></div>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 November 2013
                          11:35, Amr Elsadr <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org"
                              target="_blank">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            Hi,<br>
                            <br>
                            This statement has changed substantially
                            over the past 24 hours with what I believe
                            to be a lot of great input from different
                            NCSGers. There is roughly just a little over
                            12 hours left before the deadline to submit,
                            so this is a last call to take a look at the
                            statement if you can.<br>
                            <br>
                            The statement can be found here: <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS5Ze_0TU4ymdq0N8tROKrr2Vg-SpBp5ZEXTLUr7j84/edit"
                              target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS5Ze_0TU4ymdq0N8tROKrr2Vg-SpBp5ZEXTLUr7j84/edit</a><br>
                            <br>
                            and more on the study can be found here: <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/whois-pp-abuse-study-24sep13-en.htm"
                              target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/whois-pp-abuse-study-24sep13-en.htm</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks all.<br>
                            <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                                Amr<br>
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                              <div class="h5"><br>
                                On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:49 PM, Amr Elsadr
                                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
                                <br>
                                > Thanks for looking over it, Milton.
                                I initially didn’t open editing rights
                                to keep track of changes, but have
                                changed that so that anyone can edit it
                                now. I will insert some responses to
                                your comments, and if you have the time
                                to look over them and give more
                                feedback, I’d really appreciate it.<br>
                                ><br>
                                > Thanks again.<br>
                                ><br>
                                > Amr<br>
                                ><br>
                                > On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:32 PM,
                                Milton L Mueller <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:mueller@SYR.EDU">mueller@SYR.EDU</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
                                ><br>
                                >> Amr:<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> I have looked over the comments
                                and would make some suggestions. I would
                                edit it directly but I am not authorized
                                on this doc so I have inserted some
                                comments<br>
                                >><br>
                                >>
                                ________________________________________<br>
                                >> From: NCSG-Discuss [<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
                                on behalf of Amr Elsadr [<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:aelsadr@EGYPTIG.ORG">aelsadr@EGYPTIG.ORG</a>]<br>
                                >> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013
                                8:01 AM<br>
                                >> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
                                >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss]
                                NCSG Comment on ICANN's Whois Privacy
                                & Proxy Abuse Study<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> Thanks McTim,<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> I’ve replaced “more study of
                                Whois privacy and proxy abuse should be
                                conducted” with “more Whois privacy and
                                proxy abuse research should be
                                conducted” in the last paragraph. I hope
                                that’s what you were referring to.<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> Thanks again.<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> Amr<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> On Nov 11, 2013, at 1:27 PM,
                                McTim <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:dogwallah@GMAIL.COM">dogwallah@GMAIL.COM</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
                                >><br>
                                >>> Hi,<br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:05
                                AM, Amr Elsadr <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
                                >>>> Hi,<br>
                                >>>><br>
                                >>>> I’ve taken a stab at
                                drafting a comment on the ICANN Whois
                                Privacy & Proxy<br>
                                >>>> Abuse Study. The public
                                comment period is over, but we have
                                until November<br>
                                >>>> 13th to submit a
                                statement during the reply period. At
                                this point, I would<br>
                                >>>> like to know if members
                                of the NCSG as well as the policy
                                committee are<br>
                                >>>> willing to endorse this
                                statement, and whether or not there are
                                any<br>
                                >>>> suggested changes
                                anyone feels need to be made.<br>
                                >>>><br>
                                >>>> I’ve drafted the
                                statement on a Google doc, which you can
                                find here:<br>
                                >>>> <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS5Ze_0TU4ymdq0N8tROKrr2Vg-SpBp5ZEXTLUr7j84/edit?usp=sharing"
                                  target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS5Ze_0TU4ymdq0N8tROKrr2Vg-SpBp5ZEXTLUr7j84/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>> Instead of "Whois privacy
                                and proxy service abuse should be
                                conducted"<br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>> I think you need to add the
                                word "research" so it becomes:<br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>> "Whois privacy and proxy
                                service abuse research should be
                                conducted"<br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>> Then it is fine by me.<br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>> --<br>
                                >>> Cheers,<br>
                                >>><br>
                                >>> McTim<br>
                                >>> "A name indicates what we
                                seek. An address indicates where it is.
                                A<br>
                                >>> route indicates how we get
                                there."  Jon Postel<br>
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