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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi All, <br>
Edits are in, questions have been answered, changes have been
made. Great thanks to Amr for drafting these comments, closely
following and working with the edits, and now circulating for sign
on. Much appreciated, Amr!<br>
<br>
Given the deadline today, it would, of course, be best to submit
as a Stakeholder Group. Also for this type of proceeding, a fairly
formal ICANN comment and reply process, it is possible the links
for submission may go down on time.<br>
<br>
So let me ask, does anyone have any objections? <br>
<br>
<i><b>Avri, what would like as the process to finalize? </b></i>Are
we OK to submit since these have been in circulation awhile and up
for discussion and review?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
:<br>
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<div>Sounds good to me. I took the name out.</div>
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<div>Thanks Robin.</div>
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<div>Amr</div>
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<div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 6:52 PM, Robin Gross <<a
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">How about just
deleting naming him personally? So it keeps the point, but
doesn't single out one individual. So it would be:
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 15px;
font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent;
font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;
font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none;
vertical-align: baseline;">While we appreciate the
efforts of the research team on the work done in
an effort of producing the final report, we
respectfully but strongly submit that the results
of this study do not provide the necessary insight
to support policy decisions at this time, and
require more Whois privacy and proxy service abuse
research being conducted.</span></div>
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<div>Thanks to Amr and everyone else who contributed to
this group statement - great team effort!</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Robin</div>
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<div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Maria Farrell
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<div>Hi Amr,<br>
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Just checking, is the statement marked in
yellow; "<span
style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:rgb(252,250,198);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"
id="docs-internal-guid-24f59dc5-516e-2549-8567-e675acb69c56">However,
the methodology used </span><span
style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:rgb(252,250,198);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">here
</span><span
style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:rgb(252,250,198);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">means
that these research findings are fundamentally
flawed, show bias and are therefore not a safe
basis for policy development. "<br>
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</span><br>
Being deleted in favour of the one in bold
below? I would support this deletion and
substitution. While no doubt the study is flawed
for the reasons we all know this stuff is more
or less impossible to study comprehensively and
fairly, Richard Clayton does a lot of good
privacy and crypto stuff for ORG and I wouldn't
like to criticise him as harshly. <br>
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<span style="font-size: 15px; font-family:
Arial; background-color: transparent;
font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;
font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none;
vertical-align: baseline;">While we appreciate
the efforts of the research team led by Dr.
Richard Clayton on the work done in an effort
of producing the final report, we respectfully
but strongly submit that the results of this
study do not provide the necessary insight to
support policy decisions at this time, and
require more Whois privacy and proxy service
abuse research being conducted. </span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 November 2013
11:35, Amr Elsadr <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Hi,<br>
<br>
This statement has changed substantially
over the past 24 hours with what I believe
to be a lot of great input from different
NCSGers. There is roughly just a little over
12 hours left before the deadline to submit,
so this is a last call to take a look at the
statement if you can.<br>
<br>
The statement can be found here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS5Ze_0TU4ymdq0N8tROKrr2Vg-SpBp5ZEXTLUr7j84/edit"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS5Ze_0TU4ymdq0N8tROKrr2Vg-SpBp5ZEXTLUr7j84/edit</a><br>
<br>
and more on the study can be found here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/whois-pp-abuse-study-24sep13-en.htm"
target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/whois-pp-abuse-study-24sep13-en.htm</a><br>
<br>
Thanks all.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Amr<br>
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On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:49 PM, Amr Elsadr
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Thanks for looking over it, Milton.
I initially didn’t open editing rights
to keep track of changes, but have
changed that so that anyone can edit it
now. I will insert some responses to
your comments, and if you have the time
to look over them and give more
feedback, I’d really appreciate it.<br>
><br>
> Thanks again.<br>
><br>
> Amr<br>
><br>
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:32 PM,
Milton L Mueller <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mueller@SYR.EDU">mueller@SYR.EDU</a>>
wrote:<br>
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>> Amr:<br>
>><br>
>> I have looked over the comments
and would make some suggestions. I would
edit it directly but I am not authorized
on this doc so I have inserted some
comments<br>
>><br>
>>
________________________________________<br>
>> From: NCSG-Discuss [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
on behalf of Amr Elsadr [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aelsadr@EGYPTIG.ORG">aelsadr@EGYPTIG.ORG</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013
8:01 AM<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss]
NCSG Comment on ICANN's Whois Privacy
& Proxy Abuse Study<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks McTim,<br>
>><br>
>> I’ve replaced “more study of
Whois privacy and proxy abuse should be
conducted” with “more Whois privacy and
proxy abuse research should be
conducted” in the last paragraph. I hope
that’s what you were referring to.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks again.<br>
>><br>
>> Amr<br>
>><br>
>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 1:27 PM,
McTim <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dogwallah@GMAIL.COM">dogwallah@GMAIL.COM</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:05
AM, Amr Elsadr <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I’ve taken a stab at
drafting a comment on the ICANN Whois
Privacy & Proxy<br>
>>>> Abuse Study. The public
comment period is over, but we have
until November<br>
>>>> 13th to submit a
statement during the reply period. At
this point, I would<br>
>>>> like to know if members
of the NCSG as well as the policy
committee are<br>
>>>> willing to endorse this
statement, and whether or not there are
any<br>
>>>> suggested changes
anyone feels need to be made.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I’ve drafted the
statement on a Google doc, which you can
find here:<br>
>>>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS5Ze_0TU4ymdq0N8tROKrr2Vg-SpBp5ZEXTLUr7j84/edit?usp=sharing"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RS5Ze_0TU4ymdq0N8tROKrr2Vg-SpBp5ZEXTLUr7j84/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Instead of "Whois privacy
and proxy service abuse should be
conducted"<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think you need to add the
word "research" so it becomes:<br>
>>><br>
>>> "Whois privacy and proxy
service abuse research should be
conducted"<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Then it is fine by me.<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Cheers,<br>
>>><br>
>>> McTim<br>
>>> "A name indicates what we
seek. An address indicates where it is.
A<br>
>>> route indicates how we get
there." Jon Postel<br>
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