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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">It has larger impact, but it's the US
government that's doing the deed. The USG is what needs feedback.<br>
<br>
It's not an ICANN issue. We deal with DNS name policy and
assignments of various numbers. How some holders use them is not
our concern, except when the use impacts the stability or security
of the internet. This does not. It's a government and it's
agents and courts applying laws to its corporations and people.
They are not (at least under what we know of this program)
launching denial of service attacks, attacking the network
infrastructure, or interfering with the completion of connections
to the intended host(s).<br>
<br>
That doesn't mean I approve. But the right forum is not ICANN.
It may be the UN, communicating with congress, the ACLU and
international human rights/privacy rights groups.<br>
<br>
That many members share concerns about this issue doesn't make it
an ICANN issue. Any more than the the fact that a U.S. school
board's members' concern about factory conditions in, say,
bangalore means that the school board is empowered to act on
them. They might as individuals choose to join or form another
group for that. But the board has a charter and members are
appointed/elected for a purpose.<br>
<br>
Likewise, our charter is not to right or take positions on all the
wrongs of the world. Just those of ICANN - which is mission
enough! <br>
<br>
If we dilute that, we will lose effectiveness for our core
mission. If we try to force ICANN into a larger role, the
unintended consequences will make us very, very sorry.<br>
<br>
I'm not saying that the issue is unimportant. Just that this is
not the forum for it.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Timothe Litt
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On 08-Jun-13 20:38, TXVB wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CANrQg1ujSMrdqesfu6d21qC45O6y-rO7a=YfezGNnYw2RtuysA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">Given that US companies are dealing with
international outage over this ( <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/08/what_about_a_us_tech_boycott/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/08/what_about_a_us_tech_boycott/</a>)<br>
Many of the companies involved host servers in the US &
there is legitimate concern over privacy rights (listed as a
basic right by the UN) I see this as larger than just a US
issue.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 8, 2013 7:21 PM, "Timothe Litt"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:litt@acm.org">litt@acm.org</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<blockquote type="cite">iven the chilling effect the
revelations of the NSA's conduct may have regarding
personal liberties on the internet, should we look to
issue a statement on this type of behavior by
governments?</blockquote>
No. It's not an ICANN issue. It's purely a US government
issue. That some of the data originates on the internet
is not the core issue. <br>
<br>
If NCUC wants to be effective, we should be careful about
which battles we take on. Otherwise we risk being
marginalized as complainers about everything. Or we try
to push ICANN into a governmental role - which it is
singularly unsuited for.<br>
<br>
By all means take it up with civil liberties groups that
you belong to, and if you're in the US, your
congress-people. (Who, by the way, wrote the enabling
legislation, were all briefed on the programs - and only
now, when it came to light, are 'shocked, truly shocked'
by the consequences. That however, is politics. Not in
NCUC's domain.)<br>
<br>
<pre cols="72">Timothe Litt
ACM Distinguished Engineer
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<pre cols="72">This communication may not represent my employer's views,
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On 08-Jun-13 20:08, Michael Haffely wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Given the chilling effect the revelations of
the NSA's conduct may have regarding personal liberties
on the internet, should we look to issue a statement on
this type of behavior by governments?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 5, 2013 7:59 AM, "William
Drake" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hello
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At the ICANN meeting in Durban, NCUC</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. will do an outreach event in the context of
the African School on Internet Governance on the
afternoon of Friday 12 July.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. will sponsor a reception/dinner after the
school. This will be organized by the Association
for Progressive Communications, and I guess be
like the APC parties held at the annual global IGF
meetings, maybe @ 50-60 people milling around
eating and drinking at a restaurant near the
school event. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3. has applied to organize a workshop on
closed generics within the main ICANN program.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>4. is talking to some government
representatives, as well at the ATRT team, about
meeting with us on Constituency Day, Tuesday 16th.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would help a great deal in deciding how to
take these activities forward if I knew who from
NCUC will be able to attend in Durban. In
particular, I really need an accurate head count
to give the restaurant for the reception/dinner.
I would therefore greatly appreciate it if people
could be in touch and let me know if they are
coming to Durban, and if so on what date and
whether they can attend the Friday events.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks much,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:45 AM, William Drake
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"
target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Further to my previous messages, this
is the event at which NCUC will be doing
an outreach session & reception. NCUC
members from Africa may wish to consider
applying…
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill<br>
<div><br>
<div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
<br>
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style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><b>From: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium">Anriette Esterhuysen
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"
target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><b>Subject: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium"><b>[governance] African
School on IG: call for
applications</b><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><b>Date: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium">June 3, 2013 11:27:33
AM GMT+02:00<br>
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style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><b>To: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';font-size:medium">"<a
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href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>"
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target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br>
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href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>,Anriette
Esterhuysen <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"
target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>><br>
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<br>
<div>Dear all<br>
<br>
I am very pleased to be announcing
the call for applications for the<br>
first African School on Internet
Governance (ASIG) scheduled to
take<br>
place from 10-12 July, immediately
prior to the ICANN meeting in
Durban<br>
South Africa. Thanks to the many
people - including those on on
this<br>
list - who have contributed the
input and support that managed to
get us<br>
to the point of being able to
launch ASIG next month.<br>
<br>
Details below and in the attached
PDF. Please distribute widely.<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
<br>
*Call for Applications to
Participate in the First African
School on<br>
Internet Governance in Durban
South Africa, July 2013*<br>
<br>
The Association for Progressive
Communications (APC) and the NEPAD<br>
Planning and Coordinating
Agency–e-Africa Programme are
pleased to<br>
announce the call for applications
for the first African School on<br>
Internet Governance to be held in
Durban, South Africa, from 10-12
July<br>
2013.<br>
<br>
Internet Governance (IG) is
usually defined as the development
and<br>
application, by governments, the
private sector, and civil society
of<br>
principles, policies, norms,
rules, decision-making procedures,
and<br>
programmes that shape the
evolution and use of the internet.
While few<br>
contest the definition itself, the
respective roles, responsibility,<br>
power and influence of various
stakeholder groups continue to be
the<br>
subject of intense debate. Also
contested is the institutional
ecosystem<br>
within which decisions that impact
on the internet are being made, as<br>
well as the principles on which
such governance should be based.<br>
<br>
What is not contested is that (a)
IG is complex and and
participating<br>
effectively in IG processes is not
easy, (b) African participation in<br>
IG, be it in technical, social or
political spheres, is insufficient
and<br>
(b) few African countries have
established sustainable open and<br>
inclusive policy discussion forums
where government, civil society,<br>
businesses and technical people
are able to interact effectively
and<br>
collaborate to develop consistent
national and institutional
strategies<br>
aimed at mobilising the internet
for economic, social, political
and<br>
cultural development.<br>
<br>
The first Summer School on IG <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.euro-ssig.eu/"
target="_blank">http://www.euro-ssig.eu/</a>>
(SSIG) was held<br>
in Europe in Meissen in July 2007.
It has become an annual event and
has<br>
given rise to the South School on
IG<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gobernanzainternet.org/"
target="_blank">http://www.gobernanzainternet.org/</a>>
held annually in Latin America for<br>
the last four years and an Asia
Pacific school that took place in
2011.<br>
The African School on IG will
build on their experience but
customise<br>
session content to meet the needs
of African IG interest groups. We
will<br>
utilise the expertise that exists
within the continent as well as
that<br>
of international academics and
practitioners in the field. Topics
to be<br>
covered include:<br>
<br>
*<br>
<br>
History and overview of IG<br>
<br>
*<br>
<br>
Policy, development and human
rights<br>
<br>
*<br>
<br>
Regulation and management:
standards, protocols, gTLDs,
ccTLDs,<br>
internet intermediaries<br>
<br>
*<br>
<br>
Multi-stakeholder approaches to
IG: roles and processes,
challenges<br>
and opportunities<br>
<br>
<br>
APC/NPCA can support two groups of
successful applicants:<br>
<br>
*<br>
<br>
Those who are already planning
to come to ICANN47<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://meetings.icann.org/ICANN47"
target="_blank">http://meetings.icann.org/ICANN47</a>>
but who would need to arrive<br>
earlier to attend the School
(accommodation and meals)<br>
<br>
*<br>
<br>
Those who are not currently
planning to come to ICANN47 but
who want<br>
to participate in the school
(travel, visas and meals and<br>
accommodation for the duration
of the School)<br>
<br>
The organisers of the School are
not able to support accommodation
and<br>
other costs for particpation in
ICANN47, only for participation in
the<br>
African School on IG.<br>
<br>
<br>
To apply please fill in the form
at *<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://tw.gs/Q7uehW*by"
target="_blank">http://tw.gs/Q7uehW*by</a>
*12 June<br>
2013*. For more information
contact *<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emilar@apc.org"
target="_blank">emilar@apc.org</a>*<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
------------------------------------------------------<br>
anriette esterhuysen <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"
target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a><br>
executive director, association
for progressive communications<br>
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target="_blank">www.apc.org</a><br>
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tel/fax <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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11 726 1692</a><br>
<br>
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