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Doing (lots) of catch-up with large numbers of unread, but man
Jorge, I've been buying your .02 for this whole discussion.<br>
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Thanks for sharing.<br>
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Nicolas<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013-04-09 04:52, Jorge Amodio
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<div style="">The claims about .PATAGONIA are borderline silly
and with total lack of arguments, and what is funny is that
Patagonia is also a registered trademark in Argentina.</div>
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HA ! like the "us vs. them" excuse comment, I'm sick tired of
that, in particular the derogatory comments about "imperialist
yankees" and such, where some references to Patagonia, Inc.
are made as "an american company," what if the company was
from Finland, or even Argentina ! would the application be OK
then ?</div>
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<div style="">And about the HR, is the same stupid line of
argument being used by the ITU where ironically the issue is
being raised by countries that do not give a squat for Human
Rights ...</div>
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<div style="">In the Multistakeholder model, some "hold" more
than others .... and IGF, sigh, one more travelling circus to
feed the trolls that keep milking the Internet Governance
theme ... quite interesting that now we have schools about
that too !! ... what a waste of time and resources when we
have so many more critical issues to take care of if we really
believe in Human Rights.</div>
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<div style="">-J</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Milton
L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The identity of the nations
and the cultural heritage (also the natural
heritage) is part of the human rights. You are
agree with that?
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No, I do not. Identity of nations is not a
human right that supersedes all other
rights, and one could argue that it is not a
right at all, as such rights adhere to
individuals not arbitrarily constructed
groups. </span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1f497d">On the contrary,
appeals to the nation, national interest,
and national identity are often used to
override human rights and are probably
responsible for more human rights violations
than any other force in modern human
history. </span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1f497d">Even if you believe
that collections of people have some kind of
“rights” relative to their identity, which
is not reducible to their individual rights
to expression and association, I fail to see
how the registration a top level domain
violates any right, whereas putting the name
on sports equipment does not. Can you
explain it to me? In other words, if you are
asserting a strong, exclusive property right
over the string “Patagonia” why confine your
concern to the domain name registration?
Shouldn’t you also be on the march against
the brand? Would you like to reclaim
Amazon.com? Should it be illegal for me to
name a book Patagonia if I wish to write
one?
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1f497d">Or is it simply
that this Patagonia application provides a
convenient excuse for politicians to create
an “us vs. them” dynamic, which can be
exploited, and which the current Argentine
government seems to specialize in as its
economy deteriorates and political support
for it wanes.</span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In that way of ideas, yes of
course ICANN is a private organization based in
US with an agreement with the DoC, so for what
reason have the GAC? only to advice and
comments?. </p>
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Advice and comment are indeed GAC’s role
within ICANN. Are you now saying that GAC
should run the show?</span></i></b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe the declaration of
Montevideo is only the point to change the view
of what is exactly the role of the GAC
(including if they need to be in that place or
accept be in that place). </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">pd. Peru (represent by
Ambassador Palomino) will be the president of the
team to review the "enhanced cooperation" in IGF,
he was one of the more clear (and with a strong
position) in have the Montevideo Declaration
position.</p>
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wonderful. Lots of people jumping off the
Multistakeholder ship now.
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