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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I agree roundtable is good lets reflect that in the document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Who is the organizer here as I seem to be the only one who has drafted anything does that make me the organiser??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>And yes we need a more diverse set of speakers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Igf-team [mailto:igf-team-bounces@lists.ncsg.is] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Drake<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 30, 2017 6:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent@GMAIL.COM><br><b>Cc:</b> Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org>; David Cake <davecake@gmail.com>; igf-team@lists.ncsg.is; Kuerbis, Brenden N <brenden.kuerbis@pubpolicy.gatech.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Igf-team] Global IGF 2017 - NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Martin. Robert, please do line up some SSAC folks who are willing to speak, NCSG can supplement, and interested parties should engage on crafting the description and the rest of the MAG’s form, which has grown in what is demanded. Someone needs to be the formal submitter and have a backup, and you need to establish profiles for each speaker with bios and other details. I would think that if it’s approved there ought to be a link between leadership expend and covered travel slots, but maybe I’m old school about this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You also have to decide on format, is it a panel or roundtable, and how you’re going to run it. Roundtables are typically 10-15 and interactive, moderator-driven, panels are 4-6 with prepared remarks. I much prefer Roundtables as you get more voices at the table and a more dynamic format, but then you really do need a good moderator. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And you need organizational cosponsors. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On the SSAC side, Robert you Ben and Jeff would be good, although that makes three male WEOG. No interest from Suzanne or Ram, but WEOG but at least...?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On the NCSG side, James, Tatiana and David have expressed interest, we added Brenden and Maria but haven’t heard from them. Again, all WEOG.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The MAG takes very seriously geo/gender/stakeholder group diversity, so you’ll have to think of others you can pull in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It might also be useful at the outset to consider how we’ve done past outreach events and see if there's anything there that’d be helpful in thinking about the agenda. <a href="http://www.ncuc.org/events/conferences-and-workshops/">http://www.ncuc.org/events/conferences-and-workshops/</a> I don’t believe NCUC or NCSG have ever had an IGF proposal rejected so there might be some relevant lessons there.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In any event, somehow has to take charge, there’s only a couple days left.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good luck<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 30, 2017, at 06:01, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com">mpsilvavalent@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Robert (and the same for everyone else), <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Go ahead and put hands on, we really need co-orgniazations and experts, specially from other constituencies for this to work. So reach out, bring them in. If we can have a set of “topics” to discuss in a panel of experts then we have our workshop. So let’s hear what experts are going to be in the IGF and what topics would they be interested/willing to discuss.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Martín<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 29, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Robert Guerra <<a href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org">rguerra@privaterra.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As I mentioned on the google doc - I polled th ssac and heard back th following:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>* there's an interest and willingness to collaborate on this proposal . Special ally, there's an interest to bring a Security , operations and technical perspective (if that is of interest)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>* ssac members available<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I polled the ssac and At least 2 members got back to me who would be happy to participate on the panel (in person or virtually)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- the two persons are - <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1. Ben Butler from GoDaddy who likely would be able to speak to RDS/Whois , domain hijacking and takedown <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2. Jeff Bedser , who is more a cyber investigations expert who can speak to law enforcement , takedown as well as cooperation that's needed when doing investigations for ip takedowns and cybercrime <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>* if a DNS operations , DNSSEC or registry operations is also desired, let me know and I'll teach out directly to others on the ssac who have, in the past, participated such as Merike Kaeo <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>* ssac has contacts with law enforcement community . If that perspective is desired and can be added , let me know to see if I can get the FBI contact I mentioned earlier to confirm (who likely will attend anyway)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let me know so I can follow-up accordingly <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Robert <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Robert Guerra<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>From: Martin Pablo Silva Valent <a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com"><mpsilvavalent@gmail.com></a><br>Date: April 29, 2017 at 12:27:48 PM<br>To: Farell Folly <a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com"><farellfolly@gmail.com></a><br>CC: Kuerbis, Brenden N <a href="mailto:brenden.kuerbis@pubpolicy.gatech.edu"><brenden.kuerbis@pubpolicy.gatech.edu></a>, Robert Guerra <a href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org"><rguerra@privaterra.org></a>, <a href="mailto:igf-team@lists.ncsg.is">igf-team@lists.ncsg.is</a> <a href="mailto:igf-team@lists.ncsg.is"><igf-team@lists.ncsg.is></a>, William Drake <a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com"><wjdrake@gmail.com></a><br>Subject: Re: [Igf-team] Global IGF 2017 - NCSG <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Agree 100% on with Bill, unless someone has something already cooked that we can go behind, let's reach out to those experts, and hope some others ncsg experts follow, thanks James !!! I am not an expert but I think the topic is something different, new and concrete compared to other panels and our usual work, worth for a try. So even if it is not my field I am more than willing to fully support and engage. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If by the end of today we don't have any new opinions I say let's bring the experts we have in our contacts. I know there is a civil society cibersecurity approach to DNS!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Martin <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 29 Apr 2017 8:37 a.m., "Farell Folly" <<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>+1 Martin and William.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best Regards<br>@__f_f__<br><a href="http://about.me/farell" target="_blank">about.me/farell</a><br>________________________________.<br>Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le 29 avr. 2017 07:45, "William Drake" <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So if time pressures and switching costs mean that NCSG wants to to stick with the blue skies idea of DNS security issues for its IGF proposal this year, we’re going to need some engagement from people who know these issues well. James Gannon is here in the group and can certainly help a lot if he has the bandwidth, not sure who else feels close enough to the topic. Folks please speak up if you’re feel you’re in a position to help lead.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would also suggest we try to get some guidance from friendly folks we know who are subject experts on the issues. Here’s some suggestions of people who could a) be speakers if they’re coming to Geneva and willing and b) either way could help craft a session description and agenda if they’re inclined:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1. Brenden Kuerbis from NCUC/SG (who I’m taking the liberty of Ccing without asking him first, sorry)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From the SSAC <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/ssac-biographies-2017-02-16-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/ssac-biographies-2017-02-16-en</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2. Robert Guerra (also on the Cc as he expressed interest in talking about security @ IGF in another convo)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3. Patrik Fältström (SSAC Chair)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>4. Mark Seiden<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>5. Suzanne Woolf<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>6. Ram Mohan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>7. Don Blumenthal<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If we could get these folks engaged we’d have good guidance and (if they’re coming and willing) the start of a good panel, with private sector/technical community/civil society. It would need geo/gender balance as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If people agree with this approach we could write to them and try to get something going. Choice of format would depend how many bodies we have etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In the meanwhile, Brenden and Robert, your thoughts please. Martin’s place holder description would obviously need to be built out and specified in keeping with the IGF proposal form which asks for agenda and description of the convo flow etc:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i>The workshop will look at cybersecurity specifically in relation to DNS, including management interfaces, owner authentication processes, RDS/whois and related problems like domain hijacking, privacy endangerment, spam etc, not from purely technical perspective but also in how they should affect ICANN policy. The idea is that even non-technical people developing policy should acquire an understanding on how and what kind of security issues they should consider when making policy decisions.</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 28, 2017, at 19:27, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Because of time we cannot go into detail on each subject, I would suggest to choose one and just work with it. We may not all be experts but we should be able to bring them. We can change it to other besides Security as long as you have already something sort out. To save time I suggest we use all the same setting we used last year that was successful. If we can agree on the subject, the more time consuming and difficult will be to get the speakers, although her ewe might need Bill guidance, I think we can change this a little bit later in order to submit it on time. If you already have a subject to do that we can write down and work around this is your time to talk. All ideas are welcomed, have always been. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here I summarize the question we need to answer so you can just answer this email instead of going to the doc, I will then consolidate things on the doc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>1) ¿Session Format?*</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We can go for the 60 Min Break-out Group Discussions, we can also go for the 90 minutes it really depends on what we have to do. We could use the same format that we used last year here.<br><br><b>2) Session Format Description: </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The easiest way it to have multi-stakeholder balanced roundtable with the basic subjects of the agenda and open the floor for in-site/remote participation. Again, if anyone have in mind an already thought idea for this just bring it in.<br><br><b>3) Proposer and co-proposer: </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>NCSG chair, Tapani and who ever is co-hosting the workshop, if we are going for cybersecurity then it should be someone with an organization regarding that. <br><br><b>4) Speakers</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Depending on the subject. If you have names for the cybersecurity let’s start listing that, we can maybe find that co-host there if it is not already in this list.</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>5) Content of the Session * (we outlined ciber security, but you can use this space if you have an alternative)<br>5.1) outline for the session</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A workshop in Internet Governance Forum on cybersecurity and DNS.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>5.2) description of the intended agenda for the session and the issues that will be discussed.</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The workshop will look at cybersecurity specifically in relation to DNS, including management interfaces, owner authentication processes, RDS/whois and related problems like domain hijacking, privacy endangerment, spam etc, not from purely technical perspective but also in how they should affect ICANN policy. The idea is that even non-technical people developing policy should acquire an understanding on how and what kind of security issues they should consider when making policy decisions.<br><br><b>6) Relevance of the Issue *</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please provide a concise description of the Internet Governance issue that your session will explore, including how this issue relates to Internet governance broadly, as well as to the main theme of IGF 2017: “Shape Your Digital Future!” In other words, please tell us why this workshop is important to include in the IGF programme.<br><br><b>7) Interventions <br></b>Same model as last year<br><br><b>8) Diversity</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>9) Here we need people that are going to be in the IGF already:</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>9.1) Onsite Moderator <br>9.2) Online Moderator <br>9.3) Rapporteur</b> <br><br><b>10) Online Participation * Yes, we will have remote acces and moderators to que any on-line participation into the room.<br></b><br><b>11) Discussion facilitation <br></b>We can use the same model as last year<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><b>Past IGF Participation<br></b><br><b>History in IGF :</b> How many other workshop has the NCSG and Co-organziers have? 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Connecting with International or Other Relevant Organizations<br><br>If you are interested in involving in your workshop any of the numerous organizations or subject matter experts based in Geneva (UN Agencies, NGOs, academia, think tanks, etc.), please indicate your interest above. Please find a selection of such organizations at: <a href="http://dig.watch/igf2017" target="_blank">http://dig.watch/igf2017</a> For comprehensive information on “International Geneva” please consult: <a href="http://www.genigf/" target="_blank">http://www.genIGF</a> <br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:42 AM, Farell Folly <<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com" target="_blank">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>So what do we decide? Regarding the short deadline, we should take a decision today whether we do the initial proposal or not (and quickly vote for another, if not).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best Regards<br>@__f_f__<br><a href="http://about.me/farell" target="_blank">about.me/farell</a><br>________________________________.<br>Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le 26 avr. 2017 2:43 PM, "William Drake" <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Well, I didn't mean to upset the apple cart here, especially since at the outset I’d suggested we might consider security. But I’m looking now at a multi-person consensus process that has to finish a week from today, coupled with a topic on which many of us may not be subject matter experts, and I’m just wondering if this is sensible or we should try something that would come a lot easier to us? I organized I think seven approved workshop proposals for NCUC and NCSG between 2013-2015 and they were each time consuming. So I’m inclined to say that if NCSG is going to get something out quickly that meets the MAG’s criteria there’s no time for navel gazing. Take a topic we know well and can populate easily and start doing it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We’ve done a number of these on civil society experiences in ICANN and their wider implications so that might be a bit tired by now. But maybe a hot substantive issue, like ICANN jurisdiction, or CS @ ICANN as a model for other IG, or development aspects of ICANN, etc…?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>BD<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Palatino",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 26, 2017, at 15:22, Louise Marie Hurel <<a href="mailto:louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com" target="_blank">louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Agree with Bill when he says that it is challenging to pin down security @ ICANN. We should keep in mind that not all people who attend the IGF are familiar with discussions at ICANN -- and if it is challenging for us (at least for me) to understand what are the borderlines of cybersecurity within ICANN, imagine for people outside it. However, I do believe that this session could contribute to a broader discussion about cybersecurity governance (and thus the identification of overlapping spaces for collaboration and interaction with other actors/institutions within this field).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If the breakout session is the desired format, I'd suggest that we need to think about how we are going to make it more inclusive in the sense of leveraging between "going deeper into DNS security" (for example) and "interacting with a wider public" -- as Martin suggested: "<span style='font-size:9.5pt'>The idea is that even non-technical people developing policy should acquire an understanding of how and what kind of security issues they should consider when making policy decisions.</span>"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I know most of our agendas are loaded with calls, but perhaps scheduling a one might help us in tackling some of these points more rapidly.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Louise<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2017-04-26 5:23 GMT-03:00 AbdulRasheed Tamton <<a href="mailto:rasheedt.c@stc.com.sa" target="_blank">rasheedt.c@stc.com.sa</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dear All,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Happy to be part of the list. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Can anyone put some pointers for the subject so that it would be more easier for us to start with. I have already read mail from Martin and others but still would like to get the above, if anyone can really do it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>BR,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Rasheed Tamton.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Igf-team [mailto:<a href="mailto:igf-team-bounces@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">igf-team-bounces@lists.ncsg.is</a>] <b>On Behalf Of</b> Farell Folly<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> William Drake<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:igf-team@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">igf-team@lists.ncsg.is</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Igf-team] Global IGF 2017 - NCSG</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks Martins for reaching. @William is right about how to choose the topic and what are the reasons behind the choice of Security and DNS.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I suggest we give today (NLT tomorrow) as deadline for anyone who would like to make any other suggestion. Otherwise, me must try and increase our chance to win application for this one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best Regards<br>@__f_f__<br><a href="http://about.me/farell" target="_blank">about.me/farell</a><br>________________________________.<br>Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Le 25 avr. 2017 15:53, "William Drake" <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks for the boot-up Martin.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m in the middle of organizing another IGF workshop proposal at the moment so I thought I’d flag a couple things. It looks like we have over 30 people in this group, which is great. I don’t know if everyone is equally familiar with how the IGF workshop proposal process works, or how the Multistakeholder Advisory Committee (MAG) evaluates proposals. But it is an increasingly competitive and difficult business, they usually get well over 200 proposals for under 100 workshop slots, so it’s important to maximize the fit with their multiple and increasingly time-consuming guidelines. There are about five documents at the URL Martin shared one could look at in this regard. Bottom line, the proposal needs to be crisp and provocative in content; it needs co-sponsors from other organizations (preferably not civil society); the speakers need to be very multistakeholder and diverse (geo/gender/perspective/etc), and we have to have full contact and other details on them; there needs to be a plan for remote participation; all the roles must be filled, so we need names of people we know will come to Geneva in December; and so on. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> All a reasonably tall order given that the deadline for submission is a week from tomorrow. This being the case, it will be important to reach agreement quickly on things like text so that outreach to potential speakers, co-sponsors etc. can begin in earnest. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I see Martin has indicated on the Google doc the choice of format as 60 minute break out session. I’ve organized workshops at every IGF except last year (including a number of them for NCUC and NCSG) and have never done one of these, I’ve always done 90 minute panels or large roundtables. Maybe first we should talk about the format we want? Also, are we set on security? I suggested it on the list when we were chatting about possibilities, but I’m not sure how easy it will be for us to organize something on security @ ICANN in the time available, what are the overarching questions we want to explore, what kinds of people could we get, etc. So maybe it’d make sense to sort such threshold issues up front?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Apr 25, 2017, at 16:28, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I sent this email wrong on sunday to the igf-team-request@ email. Here goes right, sorry for that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Welcome to the email-list that Tapani so thoughtfully created for us to work on the NCSG Global IGF 2017 Workshop Proposal. A few month ago, after a very successful workshop in the Global IGF 2016, we lunched once again the idea to do a workshop for the 2017 IGF, after a few rounds of ideas in discussions we submitted the request to ICANN and they approved our project.At the end of this email I copy the details that outline the idea that we shared with ICANN, originally given by William Drake (a.k.a Bill) in the NCSG list among other good ones. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For those who might be new to the process, we now have to draft and present a Workshop proposal to the MAG in order to get approved and be able to do it in the IGF meeting. Since the deadline to submit is May 3, we thought it would be wise to have our final draft for April 30 (which is end of next week). The time is very tight, but it is what it is.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Here you can visit the terms and basic information for the proposal: <a href="https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2017-call-for-workshop-proposals" target="_blank">https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2017-call-for-workshop-proposals</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I created a googledoc with the official template of the proposal we have to submit, I propose we work on it as we move forward: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/10YJE8rT_yXNgtMDONb8tf4GMYMdmCIdcBIN6XOQSwo0/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/10YJE8rT_yXNgtMDONb8tf4GMYMdmCIdcBIN6XOQSwo0/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I propose that the we try to channel the edits trough me on this list and just do comments on the google doc to not overwrite things. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What we need to do now:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>First: </b>Defining the substantive focus more precisely and linking it clearly to ICANN stuff so it’s not redundant with all the other cybersecurity proposals the MAG will be reviewing. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Second</b>: Identifying speakers; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So, based on what we already outlined, we need to tackle that <b>First</b> task. I encourage you to read the outline below, the form in the google doc and the resources in the IGF web I link above. Once we finish that we can start making a pool of speakers to contact. I will be filling the draft as we move forward and you can comment the doc if you see something wrong or want to propose an answer or writing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Each day I will try push the work so sorry in advanced if I spam a little this email list, but we only have a few days to draft this out.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best regards to all,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Martín Silva<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Outline of the Workshop Idea:</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><b>1)Activity: Please describe your proposed activity in detail<br></b><br>A workshop in Internet Governance Forum on cybersecurity and DNS.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The workshop will look at cybersecurity specifically in relation to DNS, including management interfaces, owner authentication processes, RDS/whois and related problems like domain hijacking, privacy endangerment, spam etc, not from purely technical perspective but also in how they should affect ICANN policy. The idea is that even non-technical people developing policy should acquire an understanding on how and what kind of security issues they should consider when making policy decisions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b>2) Strategic Alignment. Which area of ICANN’s Strategic Plan does this request support?</b><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Support a healthy, stable and resilient unique identifier ecosystem.<br><br><b>3) Demographics. What audience(s), in which geographies, does your request target?</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><br></b>All ICANN regional groups (NCSG has members in more than 100 countries).<br><br><b>4) Deliverables. What arethe desired outcomes of your proposed activity?<br></b><br>Raised awareness about cybersecurity issues related to DNS and their policy implications; increased engagement in security work; report feeding into ICANN processes as well as other cybersecurity discussions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>5) Metrics. What measurements will you use to determine whether your activity achieves its desired outcomes?<br></b><br>Attendance, both onsite and online; increased participation on related working groups in ICANN and elsewhere; outcome document (report) that's useful as input to other fora like IGF Cybersecurity Best Practices forum.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Igf-team mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Igf-team@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">Igf-team@lists.ncsg.is</a><br><a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/igf-team" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/igf-team</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Igf-team mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Igf-team@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">Igf-team@lists.ncsg.is</a><br><a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/igf-team" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/igf-team</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>***********************************************<br>William J. 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